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Old 04-27-2014, 03:17 PM   #29
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Great conversation. Summer Scamp, it appears you are finding yourself in the same situation I was in last August. New-old scamp, the mystery of the AC/DC system, and the deeper mystery of previous choices made by previous owners.

I have a PD converter and love it. I also have one of their power panels (possibly check out some of my previous post for some pics). Additionally I took the opportunity to retire a great deal of the trailer.

Finally (for now), I made up my own wiring drawings that pulled the different "layers" of wiring apart. This really helped me understand what was going on and how I needed to require.

Here are some low res pics of those layers. If you are interested in the originals, let me know. Click image for larger version

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Old 04-27-2014, 03:38 PM   #30
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Nice diagrams Dave!
Could you please post your links as text rather than in the picture? They work better that way for some of us.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:39 PM   #31
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As I still ponder the electrical system, diagrams, model numbers.... ...
I kept busy by redoing a whole bunch of plumbing and pipe fittings and installed the backsplashes:
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:08 PM   #32
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Yes, you "could" get by with just a battery charger. We full timed in a Airstream for a year that only had a battery charger and a huge 8D battery for DC power. But that was 35 years ago and there are lot more items that you might want to run off of 12 Volts than back in the daze.

Plus, regular automotive battery chargers won't do as good a job charging and prolonging the life of a deep cycle battery as one designed for that purpose. But for one season, it might be just fine..

TIP: Buy a Wal-Mart deep cycle battery. It's easier to get a new one on the road if it fails in use.
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Here are some low res pics of those layers. If you are interested in the originals, let me know.
Here are the links in David's pictures:

Converter: IntelliPower 9130 + Charge Wizard http://www.progressivedyn.com/power_...ters_9100.html
Intelli-Power PD9130 30A Electronic RV Converter/Charger
Charge Wizard RV Battery Charging and Battery Monitoring Products from Progressive Dynamics

AC/DC power panel PD5000
PD5000 Series AC/DC Power Distribution Panels

But given the size of the panel and a few other things, I am starting to see why Bob likes the PD4045
Mighty Mini All-In-One System AC/DC Power Distribution Panel and Inteli-Power Converter
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:09 AM   #34
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Yes, you "could" get by with just a battery charger. We full timed in a Airstream for a year that only had a battery charger and a huge 8D battery for DC power. But that was 35 years ago and there are lot more items that you might want to run off of 12 Volts than back in the daze.
But unless you camp where there is power, you are getting by with just a battery charger. A rather expensive battery charger. Raz
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:19 AM   #35
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Efficient use of money is somewhat dependent on type of camping.

Mostly boondock and rustic park camping without shore power the same $150 as a PD charge controller would go a long way toward doing solar that would probably be of more use in that situation because it will let you maintain your battery and use electric lights etc. running off the battery.

Generally camp with electric hookup with an occasional 1 or 2 days of rustic the PD is probably going to be more useful because you will maintain your battery hooking up and be able to get use out of 12 volt lights etc. that you will want for those couple of days of rustic camping or overnight in a parking lot while traveling.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:51 AM   #36
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The PD-4045 offers much more than just a converter for the FGRV owner wanting to update to at least 2010 standards. You also get up to seven 120VAC circuits, 12 fused DC circuits, a 3 stage smart charger that will keep your battery very happy and fully charged when at home/or hooked up, and the 45 amp converter section. We would have to stay in one place at least 3-4 days (with a group 27 battery) before charging is needed, and there is always the TV's charging line for a quick boost if needed.

But, that said, a solar setup also has it's advantages, but only after an update to the older ac/dc/converter/charger section was done.
Here's a link to the 4000 series boxes:
Mighty Mini All-In-One System AC/DC Power Distribution Panel and Inteli-Power Converter
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:50 PM   #37
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Solar was an option that the mrs wanted me to look into for a future project...
...... What to do..... I have everything but the cabinets out and would probably be easier to just get it all done now and take a bit longer. But man, buttoning her up right now and letting her get in and decorate is tempting
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You can split the solar job in 2. Controller and wiring now, panels later.
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Mighty Mini All-In-One System AC/DC Power Distribution Panel and Inteli-Power Converter

45 amp or 60 amp? is this a fairly easy option for later install of solar?

can the unit be located under the front bunk in the storage area or is it easier to just remove the old breaker box and install its location?

looking at the diagram, i need to run lines directly from the battery to the new power center - do i just cut and cap existing battery lines as soon as they come into the inside where the black and white connect immediately to the rainbow and run new dedicated lines to the power center? How would the new system tie into the rainbow wires then?

when you back into a camp spot with shore power, isnt the power usually on the side opposite where the power cord comes out of the side of the scamp?
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Mighty Mini All-In-One System AC/DC Power Distribution Panel and Inteli-Power Converter

45 amp or 60 amp? is this a fairly easy option for later install of solar?

can the unit be located under the front bunk in the storage area or is it easier to just remove the old breaker box and install its location?

looking at the diagram, i need to run lines directly from the battery to the new power center - do i just cut and cap existing battery lines as soon as they come into the inside where the black and white connect immediately to the rainbow and run new dedicated lines to the power center? How would the new system tie into the rainbow wires then?

when you back into a camp spot with shore power, isnt the power usually on the side opposite where the power cord comes out of the side of the scamp?
That Mighty Mini is sort of different beast in that it is an entire electrical panel in one device. I have tended more toward the dedicated device approach. AC load center for AC, Converter as load center for 12 volt. That disclaimer out of the way.

Amps required depend on how much draw your gadgets and equipment will draw. I don't know the capacity people find necessary but the stock converter from scamp in the online store is 30 amp.

Under front bunk is a good location for much of this stuff. Converter becomes "source" for all your existing 12 volt system and those existing feed lines come in from the front you don't cut n cap you tie them into converter. If you put converter under bunk or under sink either way existing wires to system and battery tie into converter.

In effect the converter sits on the circuit between battery and rest of trailer and either gets power for trailer 12 volt from battery or supplies 12 volt power when plugged into shore power. It is an electric switch of sorts that switches to it's internal transformer as source for 12 volt when it gets 110 current from shore power. Or back to battery as source when 110 is not available.

Converter at the minimum just needs a 110 line run to it. As others have mentioned it can also function as your 110 AC load center too. But does not have to. You can treat it as just 12 volt converter OR as an AC sub panel such as one might have out in a shop at home. Sort of depends on how much wire you want to run.

Your rainbow of wires if 12 volt would need to be run to one of the fused circuits of the charge controller. Or if rainbow wire is 110 you can pick if you want to connect to existing 110 load center or run new wires to 110 circuit of converter.

Charge controller for solar is another device that would work well in this front storage location as would a 12 volt to 110 inverter if you ever decide to have a 110 plug that draws from the battery. Inverters work better if they have a nice short length of really heavy gauge wire to the battery. And I think solar charge controller to battery connection benefits from short heavy wire also.
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Your rainbow of wires if 12 volt would need to be run to one of the fused circuits of the charge controller.
they are the 12 volt wires from the 7 pin plug... you run jumpers of all the wires to 1 fused circuit? just attach jumpers from each of them? is there a spot on to pd4045 to hook each of the colored wires individually? or is there some sort of pigtail harness that comes with the unit to hook everything in?

i guess i need to get the thing in my hands and see it before i start asking more questions... just lookin to understand how this 12 v system all works.
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Amazon.com: Progressive Dynamics (PD4045KV) Mighty Mini 45 Amp AC/DC Distribution Panel with Built-In Charge Wizard: Automotive

Just to check and make sure this is the correct model??? not sure what the 'KV' in the model number referred to?
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