Camco Hot Water Hybrid Heat - Have you done this? - Page 2 - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-07-2015, 11:25 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Name: Darral
Trailer: Scamp Standard 13' 2010
Tennessee
Posts: 1,442
I've been aiming to post these for awhile so Mr Pineapple you finally got me busy. I hope these helps you and CampyTime. I go overboard on my mods with tests and experiments and the addition of bells and whistles. BUT, you can see how I did my installation both on the inside AND outside.

ONE CORRECTION: I mentioned earlier about using JBWeld to secure it. I did not. The thermostat comes with double-sided tape and they recommend the use of JBWeld. I opted for the nylon straps seen in my pics. As previously stated, they're working VERY well. I DID use JB Weld on the lil sensor I installed on the tank from my Accurite thermometer. You can see all of this in the pics as well.

I remove my anode to drain the water tank. I dont leave it full and empty it before leaving the campground. I used "nylon bushings" and they protect the threads on the water tank! But removing it since the nylon is smaller than the brass nut on the HR's anode was a challenge. I show the tool I made to remove it and show the tool on the tank as it's used!

I also show details of my panel.

Here's a link to my Flickr photo site. I have other pics of my Scamp mods and others stuff at ths link:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/503516...7648895548394/
__________________

__________________
Darral T. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2015, 05:13 PM   #16
Member
 
Pineapple Man's Avatar
 
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
Thanks Darral !!
__________________

__________________
PineappleMan
Pineapple Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2015, 01:19 AM   #17
Member
 
Pineapple Man's Avatar
 
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darral T. View Post
I've been aiming to post these for awhile so Mr Pineapple you finally got me busy. I hope these helps you and CampyTime. I go overboard on my mods with tests and experiments and the addition of bells and whistles. BUT, you can see how I did my installation both on the inside AND outside.

ONE CORRECTION: I mentioned earlier about using JBWeld to secure it. I did not. The thermostat comes with double-sided tape and they recommend the use of JBWeld. I opted for the nylon straps seen in my pics. As previously stated, they're working VERY well. I DID use JB Weld on the lil sensor I installed on the tank from my Accurite thermometer. You can see all of this in the pics as well.

I remove my anode to drain the water tank. I dont leave it full and empty it before leaving the campground. I used "nylon bushings" and they protect the threads on the water tank! But removing it since the nylon is smaller than the brass nut on the HR's anode was a challenge. I show the tool I made to remove it and show the tool on the tank as it's used!

I also show details of my panel.

Here's a link to my Flickr photo site. I have other pics of my Scamp mods and others stuff at ths link:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/503516...7648895548394/

Hi again Darral, How were you able to run the anode thru the nylon bushing so that it didn't leak ? I could drill the hole, but wouldn't know how to glue/seal it.
Guess if I do it the same way, I'd have to make one of those tools also. Yours looks very professional ! (and sell-able)
__________________
PineappleMan
Pineapple Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2015, 03:43 PM   #18
Member
 
Pineapple Man's Avatar
 
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
"DUH" ON ME DARRAL!!
I was only looking thru the album, and just found out that if I click on the individual photos, that you've generously provided all the info I need, below them.
Will be ordering the nylon bushings and see if my crowsfoot will work with a wobble extension on my ratchet. Thank you sooo much again !!!
__________________
PineappleMan
Pineapple Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2015, 03:49 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Name: Darral
Trailer: Scamp Standard 13' 2010
Tennessee
Posts: 1,442
And my apologies as I didnt realize you had posted another question! But I got the notification on your last post and am glad you found the information you need. Also thanks for the compliments. For what it's worth (and I havent looked back in my 'album'), but you can pick up those SAME nylon bushings at a Tractor Supply store! I didnt know this until later on.

Now...PLEASE let me know how your commercial crow's foot works! If it's doable, I'd be MORE than happy to add your pic to my album and give you credit. Plus, it will offer a viable off-the-shelf alternative! I didnt have any of those tools and had the machine so I just custom-made the unit...with the advantage of making it from aluminum to keep it lighter while I was at it.

Take care and again, please let me know how it turns out. If you want, PM me and I will give you my personal email address. That way, if you have any more questions, you can post them here AND to me personally so I will be sure to get them.

Here's a link to the Tractor Supply company I spoke of:

For Life Out Here | Tractor Supply Co.
__________________
Darral T. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2015, 04:18 PM   #20
Member
 
Pineapple Man's Avatar
 
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
Whoo Boy !! I hope we meet at a rally, so I can shake your hand !!
The shipping online was twice the price of the bushings.
We have a TSC in town, less than 10 mi. away and gotta go in on Thurs. anyways.
Will let you know if the crows foot doesn't work, cause then I'll need to make a tool.
Bought a couple toggle lights, 1 for ele. 1 for propane, then just label them. Should work shouldn't it ?
__________________
PineappleMan
Pineapple Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2015, 04:36 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
Name: Darral
Trailer: Scamp Standard 13' 2010
Tennessee
Posts: 1,442
I ran into the same thing on shipping so I made sure I ordered extras (no extra charge on shipping) along with some regular plugs (use them during the off-season because my HR anode stays in a toolbox when not in use and when I'm using propane). Believe it or not, keeping the unit out, is an unintentional built-in "failsafe" mode! IF the electric wh gets turned on inadvertently, no harm done. The HR is a simple circuit of "Continuity" with the unit basically acting as a "resistor". So if it's not plugged in, nothing happens. Note though, my light will still burn because it's wired onto the thermostat. But then that's another failsafe, if the light is burning turn it OFF before plugging the anode in! Kinda neat/fun stuff to me.

Now, for clarity, I dont use a light on the "propane" side. As I state in my album of pics, I use a "breaker" for my HotRod. I completely removed my propane so now I'm all electric.

So, back to your setup, in order to switch the lights from the HottRod to Propane, you will need a little different setup on the switch/lights than mine. You will need to go to a DPDT (Double-pole/Double-Throw switch). It would need to be rated at a MIN. 15A for 120v AC. This would be for the side to carry the HR and power your panel light. When you flip off the HR, it automatically will light up on the Propane side...and the water heater HR unit will be off.

For what it's worth, you CAN leave the HR in while you use propane. (Shhh, dont tell anyone, but one time I used both when I temporarily installed my propane when I was staying off the grid and using a generator .) The water heated REAL quick then I shut off the gas and went to my HR with the generator. (DONT do this with a 3-way fridge!)
__________________
Darral T. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2015, 04:11 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
CampyTime's Avatar
 
Name: Wendy Lee
Trailer: Scamp 13' Standard
New York
Posts: 1,061
Registry
I have a question Norm if you wouldn't mind answering for me. We just finished installing the camco hybrid heat electric element to my hot water tank. I've never used the hot water tank before, only to fire it up once. Let's say I go camping now, use the hot water tank and am ready to go home. Do I just run the shurflo pump at the hot water faucet till the water is mostly drained from the hot water tank, or do I have to unscrew that heating element every time and drain the hot water tank completely? That would be a pain. I'm hoping that the only time I'd have to take that element out is when I winterize or just to clean the tank.

Also before winter when I take element out to drain tank, can the element go back inside tank for winter storage? I would have no water or antifreeze in tank as bypass would be closed at that point.

Reason I'm asking is I don't have a crows foot wrench yet to take off the brass but that goes into the tank uand we'd like to test our install tonight. But if you have to drain the water tank after every time you use it (as opposed to just running the water level dry in the tank with the pump), then this us already annoying before I've even used it!

Cheers and hope you have time to write tonight,

Wendy


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________
CampyTime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2015, 10:13 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
Name: Darral
Trailer: Scamp Standard 13' 2010
Tennessee
Posts: 1,442
If you hadnt exclusively asked for "Norm", there's others on this forum that has the answers you're looking for.
__________________
Darral T. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2015, 11:22 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
CampyTime's Avatar
 
Name: Wendy Lee
Trailer: Scamp 13' Standard
New York
Posts: 1,061
Registry
My apologies Darral, as if this offended you it was innocent, but I'm still sorry. I just saw that norm jumped in the conversation and since I have received his help before I wrote the post to him. Guess I should have pm him instead. However, Since you brought this up I will also state for the record that I would never intentionally isolate others, nor exclude. Since I am sure that's how it must have appeared to you, again I'm sorry...just not who I am.


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________
CampyTime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2015, 11:47 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
Name: Darral
Trailer: Scamp Standard 13' 2010
Tennessee
Posts: 1,442
No no...no offense. As an open forum post, it's generally a question that's asked to everyone even though sometimes, you might get more answers than you can sort. But with that said, a PM would be more prudent if you'd rather a certain single person in an open topic provide the answer to a question you would have.

I will provide this answer though... you cannot drain your water heater with the water pump. It stops pumping once the fresh water tank is empty. You may could pump air through it at the "city water" inlet. I've never tried it. My preference is to remove the HottRod and drain it. You can actually leave the "bushing" in place if you prefer. Since I drain my tank with the HottRod removed, I leave it out in the winter and use the standard ole nylon plug. I dont leave the hole open.



Quote:
Originally Posted by CampyTime View Post
My apologies Darral, as if this offended you it was innocent, but I'm still sorry. I just saw that norm jumped in the conversation and since I have received his help before I wrote the post to him. Guess I should have pm him instead. However, Since you brought this up I will also state for the record that I would never intentionally isolate others, nor exclude. Since I am sure that's how it must have appeared to you, again I'm sorry...just not who I am.


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________
Darral T. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2015, 03:20 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
honda03842's Avatar
 
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,300
Oops.

[QUOTE=CampyTime;519750]I have a question Norm if you wouldn't mind answering for me. We just finished installing the camco hybrid heat electric element to my hot water tank. I've never used the hot water tank before, only to fire it up once. Let's say I go camping now, use the hot water tank and am ready to go home. Do I just run the shurflo pump at the hot water faucet till the water is mostly drained from the hot water tank, or do I have to unscrew that heating element every time and drain the hot water tank completely? That would be a pain. I'm hoping that the only time I'd have to take that element out is when I winterize or just to clean the tank.

Also before winter when I take element out to drain tank, can the element go back inside tank for winter storage? I would have no water or antifreeze in tank as bypass would be closed at that point.

Reason I'm asking is I don't have a crows foot wrench yet to take off the brass but that goes into the tank uand we'd like to test our install tonight. But if you have to drain the water tank after every time you use it (as opposed to just running the water level dry in the tank with the pump), then this us already annoying before I've even used it!

Wendy,

I did not see your request for information.

1. How do I empty the tank after camping?
I have never emptied mine. When we return from a trip we leave it full.

Emptying the tank can be dangerous. If there is no water in the tank and the electric heating element is turned on, it will burn out. Never turn the heating element on without water in the tank.

We had our trailer in storage this year for 6 months with a full hot water tank. Actually in four years we haven't emptied it.

2. Can the pump be used to empty the hot water tank?
No, it only empties the fresh water tank.

To drain the tank you will need to remove the plug/heating element. I would only do it when winterizing. Personally I never clean my hot water tank other than indirectly when I 'bleach' the fresh water tank once a year.

Hope I got it all.
__________________
Norm and Ginny

2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
honda03842 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2015, 05:48 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
CampyTime's Avatar
 
Name: Wendy Lee
Trailer: Scamp 13' Standard
New York
Posts: 1,061
Registry
Thank you to all. After reading your posts, I see what I did wrong was think my hot water tank could be drained by the pump. Uh uh. I filled the tank with the city water connect. Duh. After this, it's in my head now. I think.

Anyway, I won't worry bout the wTer in the hot water tank that remains till I winterize again. At any rate, please know the unit worked great and I had hot water by evenings end.

Cheers!


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________

__________________
CampyTime is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Camco 35953 water heater bypass kit ThomasE Modifications, Alterations and Updates 11 08-27-2015 08:16 AM
Care of camco water filter in between trips CampyTime Plumbing | Systems and Fixtures 3 07-17-2014 06:49 AM
Hot Hot Hot!!!!! Steve Hammel General Chat 7 06-10-2013 07:40 PM
Hot Water tank done...split wide open DwayneR Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 3 05-10-2009 06:28 AM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.