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Old 06-09-2016, 08:08 PM   #15
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Everyone's answers are valid but this is absolutely the best and most complete explanation of "why" Oliver won't do the cassette toilet thing.

We have owned two Oliver's and I have asked them to do some mighty crazy things for us. With the exception of painting our first one green, they have rarely said no to anything I've asked for.

There is a guy at the factory that can do absolutely anything with fiberglass. As to whether or not Oliver could do a cassette toilet install, the answer is an unequivocal "yes". Could you afford the cost of that effort? That would be for you to decide. I expect that making changes to the basic shells (especially on a custom or one-off basis) would be expensive. But if you throw enough money at something, it can be done.
Thanks, Steve. After $50K what's a few thousand more? Nah...just kidding. The double shells would probably be the biggest issue as far as construction. I've been thinking about this and breaking through both hulls would fault the integrity of the insulation. I can't seem to think of a way to still provide 4 season trailer with that big hole for the cassette. BTW, Dometic is now manufacturing a cassette. Hmmmm. All comments are thought-provoking.
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Old 06-09-2016, 08:13 PM   #16
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I do not understand why replace a 18.5 gallon black water tank with a 13 liter cassette tank.
Tom...Frequency of dump. No need to find a dump site. Just drain into toilet. I'd make it a morning ritual just to avoid odors. Again...just me!
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:43 PM   #17
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You must be a business owner. I used to own my own and had to limit what I would offer for exactly the issues you outlined.

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Old 06-10-2016, 03:21 PM   #18
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I think it would be far easier for Oliver to delete the toilet and leave space for a free-standing porta potti. Porta potties are just as easy to empty as cassette toilets IMO. If you thought you'd be happy with a porta potti, maybe ask Oliver about a simple toilet deletion. And buy yourself whichever model of porta potti you prefer.

Personally, I am happier with a small, portable tank than a black tank. Having had both, the black tank has been a nuisance when I head home; I have no good way to empty it at home, so I must always try to spot a free dump place along my last day's route, and too often that place has no rinse hose. The porta is simple: undo a lever on either side, lift off the top, carry the bottom (tank part) into the house, and dump into the toilet. Then add some cleanser and water, swish, empty, and reattach.
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I think it would be far easier for Oliver to delete the toilet and leave space for a free-standing porta potti. Porta potties are just as easy to empty as cassette toilets IMO. If you thought you'd be happy with a porta potti, maybe ask Oliver about a simple toilet deletion. And buy yourself whichever model of porta potti you prefer.

Personally, I am happier with a small, portable tank than a black tank. Having had both, the black tank has been a nuisance when I head home; I have no good way to empty it at home, so I must always try to spot a free dump place along my last day's route, and too often that place has no rinse hose. The porta is simple: undo a lever on either side, lift off the top, carry the bottom (tank part) into the house, and dump into the toilet. Then add some cleanser and water, swish, empty, and reattach.
I totally agree with you Mike. A black tank is useful when stationed at a site with full hookups for a good amount of time and you have a large family that will use the toilet big time.
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Old 06-10-2016, 04:16 PM   #20
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Had a Porta Potti at my cabin. Sold the cabin and left the devil behind.
Never want to see another one again.
Emptying a black tank doesn't require you to stick your head almost in the toilet.
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Had a Porta Potti at my cabin. Sold the cabin and left the devil behind.
Never want to see another one again.
Emptying a black tank doesn't require you to stick your head almost in the toilet.
............and exactly what country were those directions printed in???
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:27 PM   #22
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I think it would be far easier for Oliver to delete the toilet and leave space for a free-standing porta potti...
I agree. Oliver would be more than happy to NOT install a toilet. I would, however, insist that they install the black tank and plumbing during the build (could not be done after the fact without cutting some fiberglass) for the next owner. I expect that the pool of prospective future owners that wanted a trailer as expensive as an Oliver WITH a bathroom but WITHOUT a toilet would be rather shallow. At least this way you could have a toilet installed.
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Yep, should be easy to cap off the drain at floor level.
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I totally agree with you Mike. A black tank is useful when stationed at a site with full hookups for a good amount of time and you have a large family that will use the toilet big time.
I rarely use hook ups and have no issues with having a black tank & I do not need to move the trailer in order to dump it any more than I need to move it to dump the grey water. Simple to empty it into a portable tank and take it and dump it as you would a cassette toilet & your portable grey water tank.

For those who do not have large families and who have black tanks and do not use full hook ups you can get away without needing to empty the tanks for a number of days regardless.

As a side note rumour has it that one of the first changes Airstream will be changing on the Nest trailer is changing it over to a standard toilet with a black holding tank.
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I rarely use hook ups and have no issues with having a black tank & I do not need to move the trailer in order to dump it any more than I need to move it to dump the grey water. Simple to empty it into a portable tank and take it and dump it as you would a cassette toilet & your portable grey water tank.

For those who do not have large families and who have black tanks and do not use full hook ups you can get away without needing to empty the tanks for a number of days regardless.

As a side note rumour has it that one of the first changes Airstream will be changing on the Nest trailer is changing it over to a standard toilet with a black holding tank.
Interesting about the Nest. I had communicated with Mr. Johans quite a bit when he first introduced the Nest. Loved the trailer but, at that time, I believe he offered a marine port-a-potty. I wonder what else AS will change????
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Why not just un-install the toilet, then cap the hole and water supply and cover with a base for a casette toilet?

When the rig is up for resale just put the stuff back in place.
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:51 AM   #27
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The Oliver is our first camper with a built in toilet. We used a port a potti with our previous camper to prevent middle of the night pee trips to the campground rest room so we wouldn't run into skunks or bears. Use the Oliver toilet the same way.

When we visited the Lil'Snoozy plant, first time seeing a cassette toilet and electric appliance camper. Good ideas, too. We started using electric appliances to cook with in our previous camper, after seeing the Lil'Snoozy.

Here's another travel trailer with cassette toilet, Bowlus Road Chief, it's way out of our price range, but fun to look at:

Overview - Bowlus Road Chief

Not familiar with how difficult it is to drain tanks with other campers. Found the Oliver tank drain system to be easy and quick to use. The drain hose is connected to drain pipe and stored in the bumper assembly for easy access. For now we drain the tanks at dump stations.

Will eventually have a small tank to connect to the drain hose, to dump small tank in restroom toilet when a dump station is not available. Need to to work out small tank with connecting fitting. The small tank will be stored in rear our pickup with shell.
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:13 AM   #28
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I find cleaning the three toilets in my sticks 'n bricks more disgusting than emptying either blackwater tank in my trailers. Far easier to let gravity do the work than my head practically in the bowl and hanging on to a brush. But, still need to clean the bowl no matter if you have a built in toilet system, porta-potty or a cassette.


You can never miss what you've never had. Have flushing systems in both trailers, never going to something else. And I've done the peeing in the bush thing while backpacking to sitting on a bucket with a liner. No thanks. I've earned better, I deserve it. YMMV
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