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honda03842 03-25-2012 03:46 PM

I looked up the UK Subura Outback Diesel.

Outback - Subaru UK

It's rated for towing 3740 pounds, oodles of torque and great mileage. Actually any of the 2L European diesels would be great for us.

I have been taking a renewed look at VW since there seems to be no other choice in the USA and Canada.

Bill in Pittsburgh 03-25-2012 05:30 PM

I understand Mazda has one coming in the CX5.
I was told by the dealer that the gas model is coming this month and a diesel by October with 300 lbs. of torque (and even a 6 speed manual).
Almost sounds too good to be true. You may want to research this.

GeorgeR 03-25-2012 08:15 PM

I copied the following text from here 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel Announced For U.S.

"Unfortunately, there’s been no mention of which engine will appear in the U.S.-spec Grand Cherokee Diesel. The most likely option would be to simply carry over the V-6 unit offered overseas.

When mated to a five-speed automatic and delivering its peak of 406 horsepower - ONLY?, this 3.0-liter turbodiesel in the Grand Cherokee returns about 28.4 mpg on the slightly less conservative European combined cycle and is good for 0-60 mph acceleration of around 8 seconds - ONLY?."

After our upcoming West US (West Coast to Rockies) trip we are planning to make a change from our F350 Diesel and 21' Bigfoot to either small trailer with a new towing vehicle or Sprinter or similar van conversion. It seems as new towing vehicle and smaller trailer is definitely lower cost option. While looking for a towing vehicle we stopped at Jeep dealer and indeed Grand Cherokee is coming with diesel but no details yet, unfortunately disappointing acceleration results, I wish it would be 5 sec to 60 or better.:rolleyes:

George.

honda03842 03-25-2012 08:26 PM

I looked up info on the Mazda diesel. It may be available early next year.

Right now at $5 a gallon, and 15 mpg, a 150 mile trip costs $50..... If a small diesel gets you 30 mpg that cost is $25. If you're doing a 12,000 mile towing trip like us that amounts to $2000 savings on towing costs.

It also amounts to another $2000 savings on drive around miles.

Over our 11 month trip $4000 is a lot.....

Waiting patiently to get a small diesel.

Mike Magee 03-25-2012 10:03 PM

The CX-5 appears to have a 2000 lb. tow capacity with the (direct injection BTW) gas engine... enough to tow most 13s. I found an Australian test report where they said they got 7.7L/100km with the diesel; I believe that's about 30 mpg, all right.

The Jeep announcement is a welcome one, too. That GC probably would tow any molded FG trailer, including a large Bigfoot.

honda03842 03-25-2012 10:44 PM

Diesel
 
Mike you want to look at the Mazda diesel, not their gas engine......

honda03842 03-25-2012 11:21 PM

Mazda Diesel
 
Mike Magee,

I think you made a mistake, it's 2000 Kgs, not lbs.

Mazda Diesel to Arrive in Early 2013 | AutoGuide.com News

Mazda Skyactiv-D 2.2 Clean Diesel Heads to U.S. in Early 2013

I went to Mazda UK and downloaded their brochure. The Towing capacity is 2000 Kg or 4400 lbs.

http://www.mazda.co.uk/showroom/cx-5/ebrochure/

MPG rating is 69 mpg highway in the UK, translated to our gallon it's better than 57 mpg. City rating is 52 mpg in the Uk, translated to 43 mpg with our smaller gallon.

Personally I'd be happy to get 30 mpg towing.

Best of all Honda says it's going to be available in the USA in early 2013...... definitely something to think about

GeorgeR 03-25-2012 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honda03842 (Post 296542)
.................................................. .Personally I'd be happy to get 30 mpg towing.

Me too, I hope we don't need to wait until fuel gets to $8/gal to get these 2l or 2.2l diesels here.

George.

MCDenny 03-26-2012 08:46 AM

Comparing the UK Combined mpg figures from the diesel auto AWD CX5 to the UK rating for the 2WD gas stick shift and applying that ratio the the 35 mpg that car gets here indicates the diesel ought to come in around 38 mpg for its EPA highway rating.

Mike Magee 03-26-2012 08:40 PM

We can certainly hope that the higher tow rating will carry over to this side of the pond. The 2000 lb. number came from autos.msn.com which shows what they rated the gas version for, here in the USA. I didn't mean to confuse anyone, but I've noticed that, other than with pickups, mfrs tend to not raise the tow rating when they add the diesel in the US (like VW, Mercedes)... so I made an assumption.

Er, Norm... you might want to change "Honda" to "Mazda" ;)

GeorgeR 03-27-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Magee (Post 296752)
We can certainly hope that the higher tow rating will carry over to this side of the pond. The 2000 lb. number came from autos.msn.com which shows what they rated the gas version for, here in the USA. I didn't mean to confuse anyone, but I've noticed that, other than with pickups, mfrs tend to not raise the tow rating when they add the diesel in the US (like VW, Mercedes)... so I made an assumption.

Er, Norm... you might want to change "Honda" to "Mazda" ;)


I just look at towing capability of my Jetta 06 TDI and it states clearly:

1. tongue weight 200lb,
2. w/o brakes 1000lb for all,
3. with brakes gas 2.5l 1700lb, TDI 1000lb.
So, in actuality diesel engines get lower numbers for towing, must be engineered by sales bean-counter forcing SUVs.

After change of the timing belt my car is getting better fuel mileage, last outing near Mt Hood on slow maintain road we got over 50 mpg and today on flat Sauvie Island near Portland OR over 52 mpg.

George.

GeorgeR 03-27-2012 09:32 PM

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f72/ford-transit-2-2l-diesel-50937.html#post296394
 
Good news for Diesel lovers, new Ford Van will replace E-vans with multiple 1 gas and 3 diesel HP versions of 2.2l diesel.
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...commercial-van
George.

GeorgeR 03-27-2012 10:00 PM

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It seems as it comes with FWD and RWD with the latter one being better for towing. I could not find towing capacity. I think it looks as timing chain from the picture with steel cover, but i could be wrong. With 2.2 l Diesel it will be good competition for Sprinter.
Download a van eBrochure

George.

Roger C H 03-28-2012 01:43 PM

Mileage improvements
 
I just shake my head when the Gov't mandates 54 mpg CAFE standards. Despite all the hype, mileage has NOT improved all that much.

My first car was a 1959 TR10 Triumph Estate Wagon. I got 36mpg at 65, 32mpg around town, and once when purposely driving at 50mph over 40 mpg.

http://users.belgacom.net/triumph/Triumph%2010.htm

I presently have an almost identical car, a 2001 VW Golf which gets about the same mileage. Of course these cars do not make good tow vehicles.


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