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Vicki A. 04-19-2013 03:40 PM

Oliver is Back!?
 
As seen in the A/S forum

Oliver Travel Trailers - Home

Oh no, ANOTHER option!

Glenn Baglo 04-19-2013 03:55 PM

Kinda shy on windows...
Are there some on the other side?

Ken C 04-19-2013 04:16 PM

Sticker shock coming :quiet

Donna D. 04-19-2013 06:11 PM

Here's three pages of pictures of the first generation 22' Oliver. Since they have the molds, I would imagine little will change: Hewus' Oliver Travel Trailer: The first 22 foot Oliver

ColoRockiesFan 04-19-2013 06:24 PM

Kinda looks like a Parkliner on steroids ...

floyd 04-19-2013 07:20 PM

Their site seems to obfuscate a little... Is the Oliver now composite construction (like a L'il Snoozy) or molded fiberglass double wall construction (like an old WB Burro)?

Donna D. 04-19-2013 07:37 PM

If it's like the other Olivers, it's double-hull with LizardSkin as insulation.

Ken C 04-19-2013 07:53 PM

I'd think/hope the composite non wood floor is there too.

Brian B-P 04-19-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by floyd (Post 379975)
... Is the Oliver now composite construction (like a L'il Snoozy) or molded fiberglass double wall construction (like an old WB Burro)?

Both a Lil Snoozy and a Burro are moulded fiberglass, and both are composite... because "fiberglass" is really glass fibre reinforced plastic - which is a composite. The unique feature of Lil Snoozy construction (among our trailers) is the core material in the middle, making it cored composite.

Although Oliver's feature description of "Double Fiberglass Core with Accoustic Insulation" seems nonsensical to me, I think it's just a poorly expressed description of a double wall with no core material, with insulation stuffed between the shells (like a Burro).

It's not often that an RV manufacturer shows a specs page with no indication of weight... especially while claiming "Lightweight" as a feature.

Brian B-P 04-19-2013 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken C (Post 379984)
I'd think/hope the composite non wood floor is there too.

That would be nice, but I see no indication of that in the web site. If I were building trailers and going to the extra expense of a non-wood composite floor,I would certainly list it as a feature.

Carol H 04-19-2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian B-P (Post 380022)
That would be nice, but I see no indication of that in the web site. If I were building trailers and going to the extra expense of a non-wood composite floor,I would certainly list it as a feature.

looks like in this photo the underside of the floor is a non wood composite floor.

deryk 04-19-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ColoRockiesFan (Post 379959)
Kinda looks like a Parkliner on steroids ...


nah my ParkLiner has nicer lines...dont like all the stuff on the roof sitting up so high put a MaxxFan on it and build the ac under the dinette it would look better.

Brian B-P 04-19-2013 11:37 PM

Yes, that looks like typical gelcoat-finished fiberglass. Many - I think most - eggs have a lower shell that wraps all the way around the bottom... but most have a panel of wood (plywood or oriented strand board) on top of that for strength.

I realize now that I was assuming that the question was about the floor structure, but that may not be what others are thinking about. A few non-moulded trailers use cored composite floor panels, but it is rare.

I don't see it in the linked photo collection, but as I recall the original Oliver information, the tanks are within the shell, but under the floor. I didn't recall the construction of the floor structure, but it was not part of the moulded shell, and I think it included aluminum beams. I just looked it up... and we already had the answer:
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Originally Posted by Jared Rose (Post 108937)
The floor in the Oliver is reinforced with a “honeycomb” type material called Nidacore and also Bi-Directional. These materials are then completely encased into the floor with a fiberglass coating. Our floors and shell walls do not contain any type of wood of composite woods. Therefore there is nothing to rot! The floor is also supported by an aluminum sub-frame or 4"x4" box tube that is fiberglassed in place between the fiberglass interior floor and fiberglass exterior bottom.

This describes a non-wood cored composite floor structure. I guess Ken already knew this, and was asking if the original Oliver's construction is being continued. This remains a good question.

An even bigger surprise to me is this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared Rose (Post 108937)
Our walls consist of the same materials for strength as well as the addition of Coremat.

So at least one shell - presumably the outer - is at least partially cored composite construction as well.

I think Oliver could benefit from a much better presented web site, with much more clear information.

Donna D. 04-20-2013 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian B-P (Post 380032)
I think Oliver could benefit from a much better presented web site, with much more clear information.

This is from Robert Pardee over on the Oliver Forum:
"We are working on getting a very basic site up quickly and then start rebuilding it to a more informative site, just need some time.

Next week I plan on providing some more details about what components will be included on the base unit and provide the floor plan or plans. So far it is the Standard floor plan and maybe a twin bed floor plan. The twin can be added to any unit but we are thinking about making it a stock model and not a custom add on done after purchasing a stock unit."

deryk 04-20-2013 05:26 AM

Sometimes your better off putting together a well done website then sticking something up and fixing it later. No weights listed, it looks narrower, I think its only 6'6" outside width hence why the bed goes front to back to make a queen(king?)

Brian B-P 04-20-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by deryk (Post 380048)
Sometimes your better off putting together a well done website then sticking something up and fixing it later.

I agree... especially when all that's needed is an hour to edit the wording.

There's nothing wrong with proposed specs. They could just post the axle capacities and weights of the 22-foot trailer that they built years ago, and flag them with a "subject to change as design is finalized" qualifier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deryk (Post 380048)
...it looks narrower, I think its only 6'6" outside width hence why the bed goes front to back to make a queen(king?)

That makes sense, but the 6'6" width is bizarre. The classic width is at the 80" (6'8") limit for trailers without wide vehicle lighting, but this is even narrower! Maybe it's a typo, like the "Extra Sotrage Capacity".

Maybe I'm a bit harsh on these people, but this is not a new start-up; it is a company that was building this same trailer years ago, and has been in continuous operation since. They have had all the time anyone could want to proofread a simple web page. I can only hope that thay are so engaged in building the product that they fail to notice obvious flaws in the other aspects of the business.

Donna D. 04-20-2013 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian B-P (Post 380137)
Maybe I'm a bit harsh on these people, but this is not a new start-up; it is a company that was building this same trailer years ago, and has been in continuous operation since. They have had all the time anyone could want to proofread a simple web page. I can only hope that thay are so engaged in building the product that they fail to notice obvious flaws in the other aspects of the business.

I purposely left off this information when I scooped the bit off the OliverForum. I was trying to be nice...

Quote:

Our previous website took a dump and we lost everything or so I am told. (I am not tech savvy about these things and depend on others http://oliverforums.com/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif …lol…)

Brian B-P 04-20-2013 03:03 PM

Thanks Donna - that explains the "start from scratch" approach to the site. The information, though, they should know without referring to their old web site.

CindyL 04-20-2013 03:26 PM

Good for them! I wish them the best! I support every effort to bring fiberglass campers into production!



CindyL

Jon Vermilye 04-20-2013 03:33 PM

If you want to see the old site, use the Wayback machine - here is what it looked like on July 27, 2011: olivertraveltrailers.com - Home of the Oliver Legacy.

Maybe they could use it to recover some of their old data?


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