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Bob Miller 07-05-2015 03:33 PM

Nothing to be excited about. I am not only a California Native, I am also and even rarer San Francisco native and lived in Northern California for 33 yeasr before moving to Washington for a while.


That said, when I was living in Virginia some years later and, when we were offered a position in California, SoCal didn't look near as bad from VA as it had for my years living in the bay area, so here I am...


That said, we will be spending next week at a state beach, enjoying the cool breezes, low humidity and apparent lack of sharks...LOL


B TW: I repeat, low humidity, a phenomenon apparently unknown in many of our central and eastern states, but I will still visit them.


And yes, my six day reservation for the Yosemite Valley in September is still in the hopper, ready to use.




Denece 07-05-2015 04:49 PM

When we cruised we used a popular mail forwarding service ( gosh, remember snail mail?) that also gave us their booklet on how to domicile in FL. That worked out real well for us as far as drivers licenses, boat registration documents, insurances and whatever. Since our income is from pensions, no taxes.
Do people still use mail services these days?


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Cathi 07-05-2015 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Denece (Post 533147)
When we cruised we used a popular mail forwarding service ( gosh, remember snail mail?) that also gave us their booklet on how to domicile in FL. That worked out real well for us as far as drivers licenses, boat registration documents, insurances and whatever. Since our income is from pensions, no taxes.
Do people still use mail services these days?


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Yes, they use mail services. Escapees' mail service is big and well-run from the reports, but there are many smaller ones that people like.

rbryan 07-06-2015 08:39 AM

Camping in 3 states
 
Having no income tax sounds great, but that's only part of the story. The total tax burden should be compared to other states, and taxes on consumption are a huge part of that. Here in Texas they like to brag about low taxes, but the sales tax places us at about 11th out of 50 states-- quite surprising to most people, and from that perspective it is NOT a low tax state. There are many articles that compare the overall tax burden with other states. Here's one:

http://www.ibtimes.com/united-states...burden-1562376


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honda03842 07-06-2015 09:14 AM

Maail Services
 
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Originally Posted by Cathi (Post 533160)
Yes, they use mail services. Escapees' mail service is big and well-run from the reports, but there are many smaller ones that people like.

Cathi,

I'm not familiar with other mail services but one aspect of Escapee's Mail Services we like is their mail forwarding. Call or email Escapees mail and they almost immediately send your mail where ever you want. We typically use small town post offices we'll be passing through. We've absolutely never had a problem.

Over the years the amount of mail we receive has shrunk dramatically, another positive of the travel lifestyle.

Mary F 07-06-2015 10:28 AM

Careful, careful, careful.
 
:yep This is good information to share, as long as folks stick to pertinent facts and don't stray into emotional arguments for/against political jurisdictions' collection and use of taxes.:Thanx:

honda03842 07-06-2015 02:43 PM

Moving on... The OP was trying to minimize his tax payments, Information in that area could help. I've come to realize I can't change the tax structure just use it to my best advantage.

As to Sales tax as a factor, I live in a state with none. This can help an RVer. We save our big purchases as much as possible, computer, tires, .... for when we're in NH. It turns out that sales tax is really not much of a factor because we buy a lot less now that we're older.

Even if you're not a resident of a no tax state, you can buy in one. I go to Lowes and Home Depot frequently. Every morning it's loaded with small builders from MA, saving 6% on construction materials.

In some measure one need to become purchase careful.

RogerDat 07-06-2015 03:06 PM

States all have different ways to collect taxes. States use: personal property tax goods and portable real property, real estate property tax, sales, income, fuel, and user fees.

When it comes to retirement where to live or call home has a lot of factors to consider. Climate, services, activities and yes taxes. If one is building an expensive home on acres of land property taxes matter. Moving a work shop or machine shop worth of tools into a pole barn or garage to work on classic cars? Then personal property tax situation is part of the picture. Not the whole picture but part of it certainly.

There are states you could give me the house or tools and I still don't want to live there. No I'm not going to tell you which ones.

There are also probate and estate considerations that some might wish to consider, fees and/or taxes related to inheritance or property left to heirs.

Michigan has a one time trailer plate (user fee) other states might want that money annually and base it on value so that the new camper for your retirement costs you a chunk every year. Motor home plates are especially expensive here. Guess maybe they want to get money from our snow birds that head south for the winter.

Sales taxes suit some states especially those that have a fair amount of tourism. Simply put taxing the folks that come through or visit should help keep the taxes lower on the folks living there. Yes they are generally considered regressive as opposed to progressive as an income tax is but the benefit to the OP would depend on if they purchase little or lots, and if they have high taxable income or not.

Michigan does now tax pension income beyond a certain level, not sure of how that works but that could certainly be an important consideration.

I would use some care in how I went about establishing a "domicile" state if I did not have any clear connection to living there. Woman scorned has nothing on state treasury departments retribution for trying to avoid taxes through anything they consider "sketchy". Getting professional advice is probably warranted, especially if one is going to continue to earn some income. Or the value of your property is significant.

Heck it is your life, take the advice of strangers on the internet or hire someone professional to advise. Your choice. Discussion here may help you figure out what you need the professional for.

RogerDat 07-06-2015 03:57 PM

Interesting! We all read something into OP that really is not there. No stated reason for interest. Just I'm going to use Fla. and the question about if not camped in any state for 6 months could that prevent his being claimed by any state as a resident.

Does mention working in NJ. But I assume NJ would collect state income tax from wages even of out of state resident, and get a 1099 for non-wage income so from an income tax perspective what state the money is earned in and the tax laws on that income are what matter not the state of residence. Unless the residence state allows for beneficial treatment of out of state earnings as compared to another state.

Hey where is CPA when you need one?

Raz 07-06-2015 04:02 PM

Actually William posted a second post in which he said NJ taxes were not the issue. He was more than happy to pay the taxes. The issue was not being able to find a place where he could park his trailer to live. As I recall he said NJ wants him to live in a house. Apparently it wasn't here long. Why he deleted it I do not know but perhaps he will restore it, Raz

Uplander 07-06-2015 04:10 PM

The management did delete more than one post...mine included...it seems this is a hot political potato no matter how you slice it....nobody likes to pay taxes.

Florida taxes your investment accounts....no income tax in Florida.

Can't hide from that tax man!!!

RogerDat 07-06-2015 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Uplander (Post 533379)
The management did delete more than one post...mine included...it seems this is a hot political potato no matter how you slice it....nobody likes to pay taxes.

Florida taxes your investment accounts....no income tax in Florida.

Can't hide from that tax man!!!

Yes death and taxes, both tend to be pretty unpopular and pretty hard to avoid.

The taxes part can get political fast since government funding from taxes and spending are hot political issues with strong opinions and philosophy's on the subject. Hard to discuss topic without bringing those views into the discussion. Which tends to bring the opposite view into the discussion and pretty soon we might as well be the Jerry Springer show. Blah :loltu

Death I'm pretty sure both major parties and the minor ones are generally not in favor of. :D

Still not sure what the OP was trying to accomplish, or was it just Hey if I claim this state AND don't live in any other state for long enough to be claimed by them does my claimed state rule?

in theory that would mean one could claim Fla. but camp in Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin for 4 months each and be legally a Fla. resident because they claimed it. Seems weird but if true not the weirdest thing I have ever heard.

Raz 07-06-2015 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uplander (Post 533379)
The management did delete more than one post...mine included...it seems this is a hot political potato no matter how you slice it....nobody likes to pay taxes.

Florida taxes your investment accounts....no income tax in Florida.

Can't hide from that tax man!!!

It didn't seem his post was controversial but perhaps.


I've come to the conclusion that every place is pretty much the same. Maintaining things cost money. Unfortunately, no one ever advanced their career by maintaining the status quo. And of course they can't do it without my help. There is always a crisis, never enough money and all solutions are successful. We spend at least one month a year camping. As long as I can do that they can do what they want. :) Raz

Cathi 07-06-2015 04:41 PM

The OP says in his first line that he plans to use Florida as his state of residence. By that, I am sure he means he will be using Florida as his domicile where he does his business. He can reside anywhere else at any time and Florida will be glad to have him use Florida as his domicile. That is what full-timers do and that is why they use Florida, or SD or TX. They do not have to be present in the state except perhaps in a rare circumstance.

He is camping 4 months in each of three states over the year. That indicates that he is a full-timer, and I am assuming that he does not own a house or property for some state to claim him that way.

We are told that he deleted a post regarding authorities wanting him in a house. That is a problem that I would say comes under zoning, and is common. The OP can look for a jurisdiction that does not ban trailers from their area. That is not a problem that most full-timers have. They tend to move to established communities of trailer owners only, where they are allowed.

The OP seems to want to be a full-timer but does not know how to do that. I can only recommend talking to Escapees. He is absolutely allowed to make Florida or SD or TX his domicile. He has to move his business dealings which is rather easy, I hear, with Escapees, or without Escapees. A zoning matter is something else altogether. He needs to find a place to move that will take him.

It is just a fact that some states do not have income taxes but usually have other high taxes to make up for that. Depending on your life style or time in life, one state may benefit a person over another. It is your choice which state you make your domicile. That, however, does not prevent a state from claiming you as a resident for some reason. Need to ask authorities what makes you a resident and read on it.


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