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11-02-2017, 02:55 PM
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Member
Name: abcde
Trailer: noneofyourbusiness
British Columbia
Posts: 54
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shock absorber Bigfoot trailer
Hi
I have a 2008 Bigfoot 17.5 foot trailer - a 25B175G to be precise. Recently I was in an RV repair shop talking to the owner, who was part of the design team for the trailer before Bigfoot went through its shutdown period. I live close to the plant in BC.
The design guy suggested suggested I remove the aftermarket shocks installed by the PO. He told me that the ride of the trailer was designed to be fine without shocks and that it could be too harsh over bumps with shocks installed.
Comments anyone who has a 17.5 foot Bigfoot trailer? The factory does not offer shocks for this model as an option. Like current models my trailer has the 4400 lb drop axle from Standens.
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Ritchie
Bigfoot 25B175G 2008 Anniversary Edition
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11-02-2017, 07:20 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Francois
Trailer: Bigfoot
British Columbia
Posts: 1,163
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not surprised....
there are millions of boat trailers out there, all without shocks.....
I dunno where this idea of putting shocks on small, light trailers like ours came from.....hint: the aftermarket industry perhaps?
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11-02-2017, 07:24 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jack L
Trailer: Sold the Bigfoot 17-Looking for a new one
Washington
Posts: 1,561
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I can't see any need.
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11-02-2017, 08:36 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,880
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While you are removing your trailer shocks, take the shocks off your car and see how much better it rides. Maybe the car shocks are also just an aftermarket gimmick.
Too harsh with shocks? I don't think so. Shocks don't add harshness, normal shock rates only dampen repetitive motion (bouncing) and they help keep the tires in contact with uneven road surfaces. That means they improve braking and cornering. The relatively high unsprung weight combination of trailer axles, leaf springs and steel wheels means lots of bouncing with loss of road contact. This problem is made worse by most folks running their trailer tires at max pressure and getting very little flex to help the trailer ride well, or keep tires in contact with the surface.
Why go to the extra effort of removing something that is designed to help you? Especially when you have no idea how it rode before the shocks went on. Somebody must have installed them to help with a ride problem.
There are a number of suspension upgrades that companies don't install because they either don't understand the benefit or they don't want the additional cost and labor involved.
If you really want to see the difference, install a lateral and vertical accelerometer system with recorder. Run the course with shocks on and with them off. Be sure to measure braking while on a rough surface. Review the results. Or, just be happy they are there and move on to other real concerns.
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11-02-2017, 08:39 PM
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member
Name: J
Isle of Wight
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspy
While you are removing your trailer shocks, take the shocks off your car and see how much better it rides. Maybe the car shocks are also just an aftermarket gimmick.
Too harsh with shocks? I don't think so. Shocks don't add harshness, normal shock rates only dampen repetitive motion (bouncing) and they help keep the tires in contact with uneven road surfaces. That means they improve braking and cornering. The relatively high unsprung weight combination of trailer axles, leaf springs and steel wheels means lots of bouncing with loss of road contact. This problem is made worse by most folks running their trailer tires at max pressure and getting very little flex to help the trailer ride well, or keep tires in contact with the surface.
Why go to the extra effort of removing something that is designed to help you? Especially when you have no idea how it rode before the shocks went on. Somebody must have installed them to help with a ride problem.
There are a number of suspension upgrades that companies don't install because they either don't understand the benefit or they don't want the additional cost and labor involved.
If you really want to see the difference, install a lateral and vertical accelerometer system with recorder. Run the course with shocks on and with them off. Be sure to measure braking while on a rough surface. Review the results. Or, just be happy they are there and move on to other real concerns.
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Oh man - I wish there was a like button on this forum....
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11-02-2017, 08:49 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,880
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Quote:
Originally Posted by widgetwizard
Oh man - I wish there was a like button on this forum....
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That was quick. You caught me in the middle of rolling my eyes. Just a minute while I get down off my soap box.
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11-03-2017, 11:47 AM
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Member
Name: abcde
Trailer: noneofyourbusiness
British Columbia
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Sarcasm not appreciated
Nice work guys. Ask a legit question and get a reply intended to make the poster feel and look like a fool......
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Ritchie
Bigfoot 25B175G 2008 Anniversary Edition
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11-03-2017, 12:45 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Francois
Trailer: Bigfoot
British Columbia
Posts: 1,163
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FLR....
easy now....I don't see how you could be offended...
you posted something that you got from a credible source..(that I agreed with BTW)
some disagreed....probably because they have shocks on their rigs
nobody called you a "fool" or said you looked like one...they just disagreed...
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11-03-2017, 01:11 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,880
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Franswa
easy now....I don't see how you could be offended...
you posted something that you got from a credible source..(that I agreed with BTW)
some disagreed....probably because they have shocks on their rigs
nobody called you a "fool" or said you looked like one...they just disagreed...
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Thanks. I agree.
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11-04-2017, 09:10 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 Bigfoot Deluxe B19 19 ft / 2007 Nissan Frontier V6 NISMO 4x4
Posts: 456
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I appreciate this discussion because I have been working hard on my 19' tandem axle Bigfoot and remembered a post that I'd seen in the forums (which I printed out for my auto mechanic) by a member who had installed shocks on his trailer and was very pleased with how much better it handled. I want to do the same because she's a wide, big-boned trailer as it is, so whatever will make her handle better on rough roads will be helpful. Shocks are not that expensive to install, so could be worth it for some campers. The smaller, sleeker ones may not need them as much, but I'm glad to hear from yet another member that they can make a significant difference in the ride, as I'm saving up for those next.
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11-06-2017, 12:18 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Z
Trailer: Sasquatch
Montana
Posts: 2,556
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Harsh responses or not, I will say that probably trailers don't "need" shocks, which is why they don't tend to have them.
That's probably because they aren't passenger vehicles. They can bounce around back there and not really hurt anything. Just a way of saving money and keeping things simple.
But as long as you're buying a shock that is appropriate for the application (no need for SkyJacker offroad shocks ), I can't see how they wouldn't improve the ride.
Assuming shocks were added by a previous owner to correct a handling problem is also dangerous.
There are, definitely, a lot of solutions in search of a problem out there, and you're right to be wary. I see all kinds of aftermarket add-ons with vehicles that pretty much pointless.
But I'd agree that if you aren't noticing your trailer bouncing off the road behind you, the shocks probably aren't hurting anything, are possibly helping, and aren't worth the cost of removing.
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11-16-2017, 06:30 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 721
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I have shocks on my 17' Casita and noticed a much improved ride when I put them on.
At the time I towed with a 06 Jeep Liberty, 5000# towing capacity, and the trailer bounced the jeep around a lot.
Trailers with a Dexter's Torque Flex axle tend to bounce like a rubber ball.
Shocks are like a WDH, believers and non believers.
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12-11-2017, 01:08 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Elliott
Trailer: Bigfoot
Everywhere
Posts: 462
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It's possible that the shocks would make the ride rougher if the shocks in addition to the torsion system result in an over-damped system. That's fairly unlikely, though, and chances are it'll help.
As to why travel trailers tend not to have shocks? Because they cost money, they add weight, and they're not as necessary as on cars since nobody is getting bounced around. It's generally not worth the cost for manufacturers as a selling point, but it might be worth the add-on for a few buyers. Definitely worth leaving it if it's already there unless the damp rate's waaay too aggressive.
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12-11-2017, 09:11 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Z
Trailer: Sasquatch
Montana
Posts: 2,556
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In this particular case, it's not a torsion system, but that's a good point. Bigfoot trailers have leaf springs.
I'd be interested to see the difference in my trailer with shocks. It doesn't ride bad, but there's always room for improvement...Not worth the money right now, though.
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12-11-2017, 11:13 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Elliott
Trailer: Bigfoot
Everywhere
Posts: 462
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Oh, leaf springs? In that case, I think the shocks would have to be drastically poorly tuned to be anything but beneficial.
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