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09-23-2018, 11:56 AM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Bolt on axel scamp
I have heard that Scamp switched to bolt on axels, anyone know what year? Looking to buy a 13' soon. I plan to add a lift and better tires for Idaho backcountry roads. Bolted axels will make this conversion much easier for a diy project
Additionally does anyone know who did this build or if there is a thread for it?
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09-23-2018, 12:12 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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The bolt on option will not make any real difference.
If you wish to lift the trailer, you would need to cut off either the bolt-on bracket or the axle itself. You would then have to weld on the lift tubing and then weld on either the axle or the bolt-on bracket.
The only advantage would be subsequent axle changes... Probably never.
I suppose you could weld the lift directly to the axle, then drill it to fit the existing bolt on bracket, saving one step but adding another.
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09-23-2018, 12:27 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Thanks
That's great info, looks like I need to find some welding classes, life skill I have always wanted to learn anyways!
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09-23-2018, 01:02 PM
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member
Name: J
Isle of Wight
Posts: 536
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Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd
The bolt on option will not make any real difference.
If you wish to lift the trailer, you would need to cut off either the bolt-on bracket or the axle itself. You would then have to weld on the lift tubing and then weld on either the axle or the bolt-on bracket.
The only advantage would be subsequent axle changes... Probably never.
I suppose you could weld the lift directly to the axle, then drill it to fit the existing bolt on bracket, saving one step but adding another.
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Is not really that hard if you you had a bolt-on axle as was first suggested..
If you had a bolt-on axle you could bolt-on this lift kit.
Scamp (Dexter Torflex #9) Axle Lift Kit
Jim
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09-23-2018, 01:25 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Jim,
That's the exact kit I am looking at, do you know what year of scamp I should be looking for to have this ability ?
Cheers
Justin
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09-23-2018, 01:35 PM
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member
Name: J
Isle of Wight
Posts: 536
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traildude
Jim,
That's the exact kit I am looking at, do you know what year of scamp I should be looking for to have this ability ?
Cheers
Justin
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I do not.
But someone on here will.
Its easy to look and see if its a bolt-on though. The bolts are the clue.......
Jim
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09-23-2018, 01:46 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Ha of course they are, it will make the craigslist/eBay/Fiberglass-rv-sales.com search easier to know the year. it's a waiting game
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09-23-2018, 05:34 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 1,861
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Around 2010 is when I first started seeing the bolt on axles installed by Scamp. Scamp started using Lippert axles at some point after the bolt on brackets and I think there was a post from Orbital Machine that the bolt patterns was a little different between the Dexter and Lippert on the 2.2K #9 axles.
Eddie
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09-23-2018, 05:40 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Thank you Eddie, Goal is to have one bought and ready to make it to a Oregon coast rally next summer with the wife, MTB riding, Rogue brewery and all the scamp candy you can handle, what could be better ?
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09-23-2018, 05:48 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 1,861
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This is one post that talks about the Dexter vs Lippert axle. Not sure but I think the Lippert axles started showing up around 2015.
Eddie
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...amp-77366.html
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09-23-2018, 06:06 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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A couple of pieces of square tubing would cost less than the shipping on the kit. Having them welded on might cost less than the kit.
The weld on brackets are available and finding a trailer with the brackets might be nice, but it should not be a deal breaker if you find a nice trailer.
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09-23-2018, 06:07 PM
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member
Name: J
Isle of Wight
Posts: 536
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Longest
Around 2010 is when I first started seeing the bolt on axles installed by Scamp. Scamp started using Lippert axles at some point after the bolt on brackets and I think there was a post from Orbital Machine that the bolt patterns was a little different between the Dexter and Lippert on the 2.2K #9 axles.
Eddie
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That is correct.
But -Lippert themselves make a similar lift kit.
They will deny it at first but I have seen the drawings...
Jim
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09-23-2018, 06:13 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Whew narrow window. 2010+ is what I will look for. Just toured one today that had a 3" lift and it was pretty wild where he had taken it in Idaho. 60% of the state is pubic land with rough forest roads to travel. I work on a trail crew and plan to use this as a base camp for work so I may also weld rock sliders around the corners and along the bottom edge
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09-23-2018, 06:42 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Great thanks everyone. I work for the Forest Service managing trail projects. I think I will also install rock sliders like this picture just in case i end up in a wierd spot, 60% of the state is public land with thousands of miles of forest roads to explore Went and toured a neighbors today, what could be better!
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09-23-2018, 07:30 PM
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Member
Name: Nick
Trailer: scamp
California
Posts: 37
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bolt on axles
If you are changing your axle you should research Timbren axleless suspensions. The standard Dexter torsion axle is a primitive design, most all of these types are equally poor performers. They actually make the ride worse because motion on one side is transmitted to the other side of the camper. Not good. There is a reason people call these trailers "Rolling Earthquakes"
If you go to etrailer.com videos demonstrating installation of the Timbren axle are clear and it looks pretty straight forward. These can be bolted or welded, will eliminate the axle leaving a lot more clearance and can be purchased with lifts or drops.
If you are interested in some other camper suspension designs check out Australian trailers in general, a lot of more modern and compliant designs.
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09-23-2018, 08:06 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Justin
Trailer: In The Market
Idaho
Posts: 10
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Yes I have looked a bit at the timbrens, seem nice, will require even more frame mods from what I have seen online.I looked at rugged trailers with canvas outriggers like the Australian camper but there is a real beauty to cooking inside when it's windy, Wife has fallen in love with the look of the scamp as well
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09-23-2018, 08:13 PM
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member
Name: J
Isle of Wight
Posts: 536
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick J
\The standard Dexter torsion axle is a primitive design, most all of these types are equally poor performers. They actually make the ride worse because motion on one side is transmitted to the other side of the camper.
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How?
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09-23-2018, 08:24 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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Quote:
Originally Posted by widgetwizard
How?
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Wouldn't the frame they are bolted to also transmit motion from one side to the other and hither and yon?
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09-23-2018, 08:54 PM
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member
Name: J
Isle of Wight
Posts: 536
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo
Wouldn't the frame they are bolted to also transmit motion from one side to the other and hither and yon?
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Same frame as the Timbrens would use....
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09-24-2018, 09:53 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,925
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The only kind of side-to-side motion that could be axle-related is rocking, and it typically involves single axle, leaf-spring suspensions without shock absorbers.
I have read a couple of accounts of Hunter Compacts that exhibited rocking behavior under tow. They have a leaf-spring suspension. I recall that the issue was exacerbated by incorrect and under-inflated P-radial tires. Once they switched to ST tires at the recommended pressure, the rocking stopped.
The OP might want to consider looking at Flexi-Ride torsion axles. They have adjustable axle arms to raise or lower the ride height according to conditions. I'm not sure a lift is really needed, anyway. It raises the cabin but does not increase clearance under the axle tube. Changing the arm angle raises everything.
There's no need to overdo it on the suspension in any case, unless you also beef up the frame and shell.
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