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Old 08-14-2014, 08:30 PM   #61
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Ha ha! That's funny! If I owned a 16 deluxe I'd have a hard time parting with it too. Plus...the memories.

I had a heck of a time saying goodbye to my pop up last summer. Great family now owns it, and tears rolled down my cheeks as they pulled out of my driveway. I'm such a soppy ole girl...

Btw...what does GAD mean?


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Old 08-14-2014, 08:35 PM   #62
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Pop rivets "superior"???? Don't THINK so. Why does my closet now have bolts and locknuts to fasten it to the roof of my Scamp? Because the rivets loosened allowing a LEAK to start inside my closet.

Rivets "superior" to hold CURTAIN RODS?? Now that's just plain funny!

I'm with Donna D on that one!

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I wouldn't presume to ask you to think so!
I guess you should have bought a deluxe!
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:38 PM   #63
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Btw...what does GAD mean?
It's just slang. For the most part means "pathetic."
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:38 PM   #64
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No fiberglass trailer has suffered floor rot due to exposure from below under anything close to normal use.
Window maintenance and vent leaks can be a problem in all campers
I agree with this.. I can easily see in my trailer how leaking front and rear windows (the seals were cracked, basically letting water pour inside when it rained) led to the damage to my OSB floors. The resin coated side of my flooring is more intact that the top surface inside the trailer.

I'm getting ready to start removing mine... should be a "fun" process that I feel could have been completely avoided had the window seals been replaced at the first sign of a problem... and not ignored by at least one set of previous owners.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:42 PM   #65
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Omg..how one removes a floor from a trailer. My hats off to you my friend. I think I'd rather drink first, then maybe give it a whirl.

God bless ye!


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Omg..how one removes a floor from a trailer. My hats off to you my friend. I think I'd rather drink first, then maybe give it a whirl.
That's how I got through the first window seal replacement.. it was easy
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:47 PM   #67
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Yes indeed. Sometimes a little libation gives one the gumption to navigate unchartered waters.

Hiccup.


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Old 08-14-2014, 08:56 PM   #68
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E GAD is an archaic mild oath used as a substitute for saying OMG!
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:07 PM   #69
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E Gad. I lived in England for 3 years in the late 80's and that expression was still heard by my ears from time to time, along with a lot of Cockney rhyming slang!


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Old 08-14-2014, 10:26 PM   #70
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Wow! Thanks for all of the information everyone!

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My sister is fond of saying "gads" or "gadzooks!" with a similar meaning.
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:00 AM   #72
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Pop rivets "superior"???? Don't THINK so. Why does my closet now have bolts and locknuts to fasten it to the roof of my Scamp? Because the rivets loosened allowing a LEAK to start inside my closet.

Rivets "superior" to hold CURTAIN RODS?? Now that's just plain funny!

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Rivets and glued in blocks both work as a way to support cabinets etc . Yes, rivets will work there way loose or break but are easily replaced .(I replaced a couple last week in less than 20 minutes) Gluing OSB blocks in the walls for supports may seem like a better method until the block rots or swells . The repair then becomes much more difficult than replacing a simple rivet.
I agree with Donna that Scamp seems a little rivet happy and makes unnecessary penetration in the hull .
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:24 AM   #73
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Ummm, what would cause a glassed-in wood mounting block to swell and rot if there is no source of water???

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Old 08-15-2014, 06:45 AM   #74
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Ummm, what would cause a glassed-in wood mounting block to swell and rot if there is no source of water???

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The wood block is "supposedly" sealed in the wall right up to the time you put a screw through the fiberglass coating into the wood block. It takes very little water to cause raw OSB to swell or rot . Living in the North you soon learn that OSB roof sheathing and ice dams are a bad combination. Replacing your shingles often means replacing the OSB under them
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Old 08-15-2014, 07:11 AM   #75
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This is true. Here in Western NY, OSB is not used for roof sheathing, only exterior walls in new construction or repair.

The people that lived in my house previously used OSB for sheathing on my shed. When shingles fail, OSB is out the door quicker than jack sprat. I personally don't like the stuff.

I have a 2012 and have also replaced many rivets in the roof already. Same one leaking in closet as previously mentioned.

I have read before, which made sense to me: rather have a rivet come loose than a SS bolt stay tight with time and flexing. Rivet can be replaced, but a tight bolt might put undue stress on FG.

Now I'm a newbie, and only take in what makes sense to me. I used blind rivets for my awning rail install as they have greater tensile strength (open up and petal out like a flower, pushing up toward FG).

However, I can definitely see and appreciate how people get sick of them and go to SS bolts and lock nuts. I truly do see both points of view. And hey, down the road I might just sway that way too if I get sick enough of riveting.

Rivets do leak, no doubt. As we all know, water will find it's own way if it wants to. Rotting floors? Yeah, windows and vents.

I dunno. There's pros and cons to all methods. Whatever syncs well in your human mind is the answer, dealing with any fallout with an sir of acceptance for your decisions.


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Old 08-15-2014, 07:18 AM   #76
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My Scamp has 24 through holes (rivets) just for curtain rods. THAT is ridiculous. AND, then there's four more holes (rivets) to hang the stinky slinky tube on the front of the trailer. Like THAT THING is attractive... NOT!

If I was ordering a new Scamp, I'd tell the manufacturer to NOT mount curtain rods or the stinky slinky tube and that would eliminate 28 holes.

GAD.

With you on both counts...

Curious, though- how would you attach window coverings as an alternative? (Knowing this is purely theoretical for you at this point!... and for me, since I already have the holes.)


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Old 08-15-2014, 07:20 AM   #77
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Blind rivets aka peel rivets. McMaster Carr


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Could you explain more?


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Old 08-15-2014, 07:25 AM   #79
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The wood block is "supposedly" sealed in the wall right up to the time you put a screw through the fiberglass coating into the wood block. It takes very little water to cause raw OSB to swell or rot . Living in the North you soon learn that OSB roof sheathing and ice dams are a bad combination. Replacing your shingles often means replacing the OSB under them
Screws penetrate the outer shell into the wooden blocking? Now that's dumb. The Escape I'm having built uses screws to mount cabinets, etc but only from the inside, hence my confusion. They don't penetrate the outer shell.

I know lots about rain/water leaks, living in Oregon............
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Screws penetrate the outer shell into the wooden blocking? Now that's dumb. The Escape I'm having built uses screws to mount cabinets, etc but only from the inside, hence my confusion. They don't penetrate the outer shell.

I know lots about rain/water leaks, living in Oregon............
Blocking is placed below a window to secure a seat or bench or cabinet. The window leaks , water runs down the inside of the wall and follows the screws back into the blocking causing rot or swelling or the screw to pull out . There has been many posts on this website about window leaks leading to the rotting of the OSB flooring from the inside . The screws do not have to penetrate the outer shell ! I am not questioning the wisdom of Escape's method for mounting interior components but to say that Rivets are a poor means of fastening equipment and glued in OSB blocks are a foolproof method is not true
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