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03-20-2016, 04:45 PM
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#61
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Senior Member
Name: Diane
Trailer: 2015 Lil Snoozy
Delaware
Posts: 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon in AZ
I'm not sure what you mean by "real tow weights."
If you mean realistic, on-the-road weights of a loaded trailer, the best resource is the sticky thread "Trailer Weights in the Real World" in the General Chat section of this forum. I don't know if there is much data on Olivers, though- there aren't that many out there.
But if you mean information about the real tow rating of a vehicle, as well as any optional equipment required to achieve that rating, the owner's manual is the place to go. Manuals for most late models are available online, so you can read the fine print before you buy. You may have had a different experience, but I have found dealers surprisingly unhelpful. In the best case, they can't tell you anything beyond or in contradiction of the owner's manual. The lawyers won't allow them to...
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Jon,
The info I sought came directly from Toyota and, after by-passing the call center reps, spoke directly with a technical specialist. He was very helpful explaining the various components of towing with my specific SUV based on the VIN#. I also questioned if I needed any additional equipment to tow the Ollie. Sorry if I made any implication that I spoke with the dealer. I did not. I do understand the limitations of a dealer and the value of the owner's manual. Thanks
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03-20-2016, 05:01 PM
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#62
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Senior Member
Name: Diane
Trailer: 2015 Lil Snoozy
Delaware
Posts: 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by u075908
I'm in the market for a trailer. We've been looking at the Oliver Legacy II Elite. It has a GVWR of 7000 lbs. We're also in the market for a tow vehicle. We're thinking of a diesel Grand Cherokee Jeep 4x4. It has a tow rating of 7200 lbs. Do you think the think the Grand Cherokee will tow it well?
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The dry weight is 4600 lbs. for the Elite II. You'd need to carry a lot of stuff in addition to filled tanks to exceed 7000 lbs., right?
What about a Toyota, Sequoia? You could sleep in that thing if Sasquatch comes knocking on your Ollie door!!!!
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03-29-2016, 07:42 AM
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#63
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Member
Name: John
Trailer: Escape
New York
Posts: 33
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The April issue of Trailer Life has a review of a 2016 Toyota Tacoma pulling an Oliver legacy ll. Said it did great, so I imagine it would pull the 18' just great.
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03-29-2016, 08:04 AM
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#64
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Member
Name: Warren
Trailer: Oliver
New Hampshire
Posts: 45
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It is true there are many tow vehicles on the market which can pull either of the Oliver travel trailers. For me the greater concern would be the ability to stop while navigating a steep decline. As well as the ability to maintain solid directional control during adverse conditions such as a slippery road surface or strong cross winds. For some of us, camping is a part time activity so we are occasional users of the skills needed to safely tow a travel trailer during challenging conditions. It is during those times when I would seek an extra margin of safety from my tow vehicle.
Buzzy
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2016 Oliver Elite II - June 9, 2016
2016 F150 Lariat 3.5L EB, Max Towing
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03-30-2016, 07:38 AM
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#65
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Senior Member
Name: David
Trailer: Airstream International CCD 28
Florida
Posts: 211
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My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. I tried a WDH for awhile but it was a pain so I had air bags installed and they do a great job leveling the truck.
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2007 Airstream International CCD 28
2016 Dodge Ram Sport 5.7 Hemi 4WD
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03-30-2016, 09:39 AM
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#66
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17 ft
Posts: 418
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpetguy
My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. I tried a WDH for awhile but it was a pain so I had air bags installed and they do a great job leveling the truck.
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Thanks trumpetguy!
So that 5355# includes all options but no water, propane or personal/camping gear?
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Paul & Norma
2005 Hunter Fat Shadow, 1995 Scamp 16, 2009 Escape 17B, 2013 Escape 21
2022 Coachmen Nova 20C
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03-30-2016, 10:46 AM
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#67
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Senior Member
Name: alan
Trailer: looking
Colorado
Posts: 264
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I don't understand the significance of summing the trailer weight with the tongue weight.
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03-30-2016, 10:59 AM
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#68
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Senior Member
Name: Walter
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
SW Virginia
Posts: 2,255
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There are three weights to consider; axle weight, tongue weight, and trailer weight, which is the sum of the other two. I think some folks confuse axle weight and trailer weight, at least in terminology.
Walt
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03-30-2016, 11:15 AM
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#69
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17 ft
Posts: 418
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Quote:
Originally Posted by minke
I don't understand the significance of summing the trailer weight with the tongue weight.
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To figure the cargo capacity.... gross vehicle weight rating - as built curb weight = how much stuff you can put into it.
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2005 Hunter Fat Shadow, 1995 Scamp 16, 2009 Escape 17B, 2013 Escape 21
2022 Coachmen Nova 20C
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03-30-2016, 11:21 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Walter
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
SW Virginia
Posts: 2,255
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Ah yes. I should have included that.
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03-30-2016, 11:49 AM
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Senior Member
Name: alan
Trailer: looking
Colorado
Posts: 264
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I still don't see a meaning in summing GVW and tongue weights.
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03-30-2016, 11:57 AM
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#72
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17 ft
Posts: 418
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Quote:
Originally Posted by minke
I still don't see a meaning in summing GVW and tongue weights.
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GVM or curb weight includes the tongue and axle weights.
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2005 Hunter Fat Shadow, 1995 Scamp 16, 2009 Escape 17B, 2013 Escape 21
2022 Coachmen Nova 20C
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03-30-2016, 12:59 PM
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#73
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Senior Member
Name: alan
Trailer: looking
Colorado
Posts: 264
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I think that I'm catching on. I missed the meaning of:
Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpetguy
My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. ...
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I thought that " came off the line at 4875 " meant that the trailer weighs 4,875. Now I understand that that actually means when weighed at the wheels only it weighs 4,875 and to get the actual weight you add the tongue weight.
My hitch is labeled for "max gross trailer weight" and "max tongue weight". I guess I didn't realize that "partial trailer weight" is of interest.
Thanks,,, Alan
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03-30-2016, 04:44 PM
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#74
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Senior Member
Name: David
Trailer: Airstream International CCD 28
Florida
Posts: 211
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No. THe trailer weight and tongue weight are two different things. I just posted the tongue weight for information.
I don't get adding the two together either .
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2007 Airstream International CCD 28
2016 Dodge Ram Sport 5.7 Hemi 4WD
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03-30-2016, 04:54 PM
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#75
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Senior Member
Name: alan
Trailer: looking
Colorado
Posts: 264
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpetguy
No. THe trailer weight and tongue weight are two different things. I just posted the tongue weight for information.
I don't get adding the two together either .
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You certainly didn't. Message #66 ( http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...tml#post578719 ) was what confused me.
(easily confused) Alan
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03-30-2016, 05:27 PM
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#76
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Senior Member
Name: Z
Trailer: Sasquatch
Montana
Posts: 2,556
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Yes there's no reason to combine the two. You're confused because they shouldn't be combined.
The trailer weight is the entire weight of the trailer. The tongue weight is just how much of that weight is resting on the hitch of your tow vehicle.
So if you wanted to be more accurate, you could actually subtract tongue weight from trailer weight, if you were looking to see how much weight was on the trailer axle while connected to the tow vehicle. Which is a number that doesn't really do you much good...but it makes more sense than adding the two together.
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03-30-2016, 07:19 PM
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#77
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17 ft
Posts: 418
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trumpetguy
My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. I tried a WDH for awhile but it was a pain so I had air bags installed and they do a great job leveling the truck.
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Sorry, I read this as 4875 and 480...
When I weigh my rig I pull on to the scale and record the axle weights then drop the tongue onto the scale platform to get the total weight, subtract the two to see what the tongue weight is.
So 4875 is the total as delivered weight sitting on a scale - got it.
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2005 Hunter Fat Shadow, 1995 Scamp 16, 2009 Escape 17B, 2013 Escape 21
2022 Coachmen Nova 20C
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03-30-2016, 08:23 PM
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#78
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Senior Member
Name: David
Trailer: Airstream International CCD 28
Florida
Posts: 211
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Yep. 4875 is on the MSO. Oliver has a tongue weight scale at the factory and I asked them to check it for me. That was prior to filling the Two 30 pound propane tanks so I guess that increases it somewhat, but I carry stuff in the back of the trailer so who knows what it is. The main thing is to keep the truck level for braking and steering which my air bags do quite well.
There is a discussion in progress about the Anderson WDH over on the Oliver forum that may answer some questions.
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03-31-2016, 07:21 AM
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#79
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Senior Member
Name: Z
Trailer: Sasquatch
Montana
Posts: 2,556
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I'd like to check the tongue weight of my Bigfoot. Once I decided I was going to buy a trailer, I installed airbags in my Tacoma. They aren't cheap! When I towed it home, my bags were only inflated to 5lbs, and there was no sag at all in the rear suspension.
It was a quick trip up to Canada to buy it, then dark by the time we finished the deal, then I hurried back. I kept meaning to stop and air up the bags a little but never got around to it, and finally noticed it didn't really look like I needed to...
I mean maybe 5lbs is all it takes, but I kind of feel like if there's that little weight on my tongue, I probably didn't need the airbags. But I should probably also work on getting a little more weight on the tongue.
I think in the long run I'll be happy I installed them, but if I look at from a perspective of money well spent...I could have put that almost $400 to much better use.
Oh well.
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03-31-2016, 08:12 AM
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#80
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Senior Member
Name: Walter
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
SW Virginia
Posts: 2,255
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The best way would be to measure tongue weight with a Sherline Scale
Robot Check
They aren't cheap though, unless you already have access to one.
Otherwise two measurements on a CAT scale and subtraction will get you close.
But maybe you know all that.
Oh, also using a jack and a high range bathroom scale will work. Just make sure the trailer is level.
Walt
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