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05-05-2017, 12:36 PM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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Scamp 19 lift height
Can anyone with a Scamp 5th wheel that is lifted take some measurements for me? I am curious what is the bed rail height of you truck and the height from the bottom of the loft to the ground.
My problem is I got a killer deal on a 1987 Scamp 19 however I think the axle is bad. The trailing arms are pointed up in relation to the frame. It has stock 13 wheels. My tow vehicle is a 1977 Chevy K10 with 35" tires. The bed rail height is 59". I have considered lowering my truck some or installing flat bed.
I spoke to scamp and they said with their hi lift axle and larger tires it can clear a 58" bed side.
I will use this suspension https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Axl...SR35HDS02.html
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06-03-2017, 07:25 PM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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So I think I am just going to return my truck to stock ride height. That would put the bed sides at 53" to 54". Anyone run a Scamp 19 with that height truck?
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06-03-2017, 07:39 PM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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I think I figured out how to attach pictures.
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06-04-2017, 09:03 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Paul
Trailer: '04 Scamp 19D, TV:Tacoma 3.5L 4door, SB
Colorado
Posts: 1,845
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I did some measuring right now. The bed of the Tacoma is 31 in. from the dirt, the ball is 14 above the bed, sides of bed are 19 high. The Scamp has 14 inch rims and the 3 inch lift.
The trailing arms appear to be about horizontal, here are some pics. I am sure that by lowering the truck, getting a new axle, 14 inch rims and adding the 3in. lift (unless it already has it) will do it for you. Good luck!
We have been in one place too long - see the mushrooms growing? Need to get the wheels turning again.
(pictures will come, I hope)
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06-04-2017, 09:46 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Paul
Trailer: '04 Scamp 19D, TV:Tacoma 3.5L 4door, SB
Colorado
Posts: 1,845
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Pictures
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06-05-2017, 10:06 PM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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Thanks Paul. Anyone with 15 inch tires care to share their measurements?
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07-27-2017, 06:18 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Christopher
Trailer: 19 Scamp
Florida
Posts: 10
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Ball location
Can someone with a Scamp 19 please tell me how far into the truck bed the ball needs to be located. I am sure I have to keep in mind how much space is available from the main body to the front of the bed area. My Nissan Frontier crew cab long bed has a total of 54" from the center line of the axel to the outside edge of the bumper. I am thinking the ball will not be over the axel.
Thanks
Chris
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07-28-2017, 05:37 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Paul
Trailer: '04 Scamp 19D, TV:Tacoma 3.5L 4door, SB
Colorado
Posts: 1,845
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cdamen
Can someone with a Scamp 19 please tell me how far into the truck bed the ball needs to be located. I am sure I have to keep in mind how much space is available from the main body to the front of the bed area. My Nissan Frontier crew cab long bed has a total of 54" from the center line of the axel to the outside edge of the bumper. I am thinking the ball will not be over the axel.
Thanks
Chris
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If I remember correctly, the ball should be 59.5 inches, or less, from the point above the corner of the bumper. (use a bubble level, or your good eyeball, to get it close). Please verify this number, it can be found somewhere on the Scamp web page. Above the axle does not need to be exact. +/- a few inches is good, but hitting the tanks with the bumper corner when turning sharp, would not be good.
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09-01-2017, 08:43 AM
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Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Featherlite
Iowa
Posts: 37
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Neat project Gene. Subscribed..
Do I see plywood flooring? I thought the scamps were all fiberglass on top of a steel frame.
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09-01-2017, 11:23 AM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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They do have plywood floors coated with polyester resin on the bottom for waterproofing. I have replaced one rotted section and have two more small sections to work on. They were all caused by leaks in the haul that were not corrected by the previous owners. One rotted section in the back was due to a large opening covered only with duct tape.
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09-01-2017, 11:32 AM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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Old axle is out! I might have to trim the fenders to fit the larger tires.
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09-01-2017, 06:48 PM
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Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Featherlite
Iowa
Posts: 37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buff30
Old axle is out! I might have to trim the fenders to fit the larger tires.
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Lookin good Gene. Be very sure your jack stands are secure. I had both of my dexter 5k axles out when I installed a 4" lift and it was a bit hair raising by myself, on a hill side..
Don't become a statistic please.
Its going to look great with big wheels and lift!
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09-15-2017, 10:59 PM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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I got one side of the suspension mocked up underneath the trailer. The goal was to figure out how tall to build the subframe. I think I am going to use 2 x 4" 3/16 wall tube.
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09-16-2017, 06:37 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,926
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Curious... are you adding any additional bracing to the frame to replace the support provided by the original axle tube? I noticed on the Timbren website they suggest that might be needed, and the Scamp frames are weaker than some conventional trailers.
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09-16-2017, 08:03 AM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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Jon I am adding a cross member where the original axle tube was. I will weld it to the center floor bracing just like the the original axle was. I am also adding an additional cross member aft of that to form a rectangle shape sub frame that will be welded to the Scamp frame. The Timbrens will bolt to the new sub frame.
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09-17-2017, 09:31 AM
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Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Featherlite
Iowa
Posts: 37
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It looks like the scamp has a goose neck hitch. I know the gooseneck will have more articulation than a fifth-wheel hitch, but does a goose neck have as much articulation as a bumper pull?
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09-17-2017, 02:40 PM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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The Scamp 19 hitch is the same 2" coupler that you would find on a bumper pull so it should be the same in that regard. The limiting factor in my setup in regards to articulating will be contact between the truck and camper.
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07-22-2018, 07:41 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Ray
Trailer: Scamp
All of them
Posts: 5
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Similar Scamp 19 mods underway
Gene,
I have a 1988 Scamp 19 on Long Island and I am in full court press to get it on the road and headed west by September.
I am interested to learn more about your axle installation.
I did the research and came to the same conclusion as you; Timbren HD3500 spindles and 16" rims to fit my stock 2017 Ford F-150.
A fabricated rectangular tube frame welded up in the shop and pre-drilled, then welded in place under the existing frame does seem like a great idea to me.
Once in place you bolt on the Timbren spindles and the job is done.
Sounds easy right!
I would appreciate any tips you could pass along!
Thank you very much.
Ray
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07-23-2018, 12:13 PM
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Member
Name: Gene
Trailer: 1987 Scamp 19
Washington
Posts: 91
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We made our first trip with the Scamp last weekend. We towed it about 260 miles with zero issues. The trailer was stable and tracked well. I am going to increase the tire pressure from 50 to 60 psi for the next trip as I think I hade a little too much bounce in the side walls of the tires. I never towed it with the old worn out axle so I can't compare.
As far as the install I used 2.5" by 4" 3/16" wall tubing welded to the frame for extra lift and strength. I also welded fish plates between this and the original frame. The axle-less suspension is bolted to this and I added the cross member that can be incorporated directly into the suspension hangers. On the inside of the rectangular tubes I used angle iron to help speed the clamping load of the suspension hangers. Between these angle iron I welded a cross member (1.5" x 3" .120 wall). This cross member was also welded to the camper subfloor angle iron cross member where the original axle was welded. This provided sufficient support to the sub floor.
I should have fabricated a perfectly square and plumb box section then welded it to the bottom of the camper. My rectangle tubes got cocked slightly outward at the bottom requiring me to use 1/4" shims at the spindle to achieve an acceptable alignment. Be sure to weld in sleeves so you don't crush the tubes. I used the 4" lift wide spindles by the way. Tire is a load range e all terrain LT tire.
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