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Old 09-13-2021, 08:02 AM   #121
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I can't help but think things are getting weird enough that I may see a bunch of anti-mask or anti-vaccine protesters with signs reading "our bodies, our choice" or "keep you vaccine mandate out of my medical decisions". ..
If you have not already seen a bunch of things like that then you must be living in a cave, or staying home to slow the spread In fact the above mentioned quack.. I mean Doctor.. will even sell you the tee shirt for $30...

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Roger... Right on, Bro.
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Just when I thought this thread had turned toward reason, it turns right back to fear, divisiveness, and coercion.
Oh well, I guess that's to be expected, sad, but expected.


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Just when I thought this thread had turned toward reason, it turns right back to fear, divisiveness, and coercion.
Oh well, I guess that's to be expected, ...
Yes it is to be expected considering the seriousness of the situation.
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Our housekeeper called us up last week hoping to come over, after many weeks, to do the house cleaning for us again. So I asked her again if she had gotten her covid shots. She knows we got ours.

She said no, but would be happy to wear a mask when working so long as we first wash down all our walls with Lysol. She believes people who have gotten the shots now have the virus and are the ones who are spreading it to everyone else.

Now that's some serious mis-information, if not insane, puzzling, misguided fear that cannot be reasoned with. You can't make this stuff up, Floyd.
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Our housekeeper called us up last week hoping to come over, after many weeks, to do the house cleaning for us again. So I asked her again if she had gotten her covid shots. She knows we got ours.

She said no, but would be happy to wear a mask when working so long as we first wash down all our walls with Lysol. She believes people who have gotten the shots now have the virus and are the ones who are spreading it to everyone else.

Now that's some serious mis-information, if not insane, puzzling, misguided fear that cannot be reasoned with. You can't make this stuff up, Floyd.
Why are masks being advocated for vaccinated individuals?
Does the vaccine protect them?
Are they contagious?
If yes and no respectively, then what is the rationale?
You are right, there is some serious misinformation being disseminated,
causing further confusion and finger pointing, serving no useful purpose.

These questions are rhetorical since we are familiar with all the answers now extant and the twisted path they have taken to get where they are.
How much rationalization can still be rational?

Clarity is difficult to apprehend in a cacophony, so have a little compassion for her confusion and also examine everything you hear carefully before accepting it as valid.
The very foundation of ALL science is skepticism.

To paraphrase the late Carl Sagan....
There is nothing about being absolutely sure that precludes one from being completely wrong!
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Does the vaccine protect them?
Are they contagious?
If yes and no respectively, then what is the rationale?
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You are asking for absolute answers when there are few that are absolute.

Selected lines from a good read: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid
... if a vaccinated person is infected, they can transmit the virus. ...

It’s important to remember that, while the vaccines are highly effective, they don’t provide 100% protection, ...

Fully vaccinated people can infect others, but the CDC also reports the amount of viral genetic material may decrease faster in vaccinated people—so, while they have been found to carry the same amount of virus in their noses and throats as unvaccinated people, studies have also found they may spread virus for less time than those who are not vaccinated.
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