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Old 08-30-2021, 11:22 AM   #1
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Covid 19 discussion zone

"Covid 19 Discussion Zone"

That title is a misnomer or at least has a hollow ring to it.

All sorts of conflicting and deeply offensive commentary can be tolerated, but to suggest that medical issues should be the purview of doctor/patient privileged relationships, and not that of political activism is somehow found to be so offensive as to be censored and removed.


Then when the thread is closed, it is allowed to stand "as is" without " counterpoint"which is the essence of "discussion"
(for the common good of course)
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Old 08-30-2021, 02:13 PM   #2
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I sent a flag. Is it coincidental that the last post before the thread was closed was by a moderator? I don't disagree with Roger, but I do wonder how it was determined that the thread be closed.
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Old 08-30-2021, 03:30 PM   #3
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The moderator suggested, "...a doctor shouting at a school board...should be trusted..." I agree. I also agree that a mother shouting at a school board should not be trusted.
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The moderator suggested, "...a doctor shouting at a school board...should be trusted..." I agree. I also agree that a mother shouting at a school board should not be trusted.
My objection is not who trusts whom , but rather my right to judge that for myself, and not be told who must be trusted.
I also would appreciate that all voices be heard.
Personally, my wife and I studied the situation and consulted qualified sources and individuals, then made an informed decision.
I trust you to do the same, and defend your right to do so.


Faith and wisdom trumps fear and ignorance every time.


I can't decide what any one else must do, and many folks would question my right to do so if I did.


As Tiny Tim(the little "Dickens") once said...
"God bless us every one".
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Old 08-31-2021, 09:30 AM   #6
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I sent a flag. Is it coincidental that the last post before the thread was closed was by a moderator? I don't disagree with Roger, but I do wonder how it was determined that the thread be closed.
I happened to be posting while another moderator was reviewing the thread. Just a coincidence that my post slipped in just before thread was closed. Guess it took a while to write that "brief" post. :-)

Covid has had a large impact on camping and on the lives of the members of FGRV community. That is why the thread on covid and the pandemic exists. To discuss those impacts. More so than as a debate forum. Especially when it becomes political or degenerates into a personal argument between members.

While it may be obvious I'm not in agreement with all other posters I do try to avoid going head to head in a debate. I have my views. Others have theirs. If we all state those without belittling the ideas and opinions of others it just works better. I do have to think harder here on how I want to say what I'm posting than in some places where yelling, belittling ideas, and sarcasm are par for the course. I can soooo do sarcasm. May even be my super power. but this isn't the place for that sort of thing.

People do not set aside disagreements from one area when posting on other subjects in other threads. Calling someone's ideas stupid in one place doesn't just vanish when same people are in other threads.

I hope all will be safe, and healthy. Enjoy the end of the camping season!
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Why we are U.S. Citizens

Why we are U.S. Citizens!!
You said it well="My objection is not who trusts whom , but rather my right to judge that for myself, and not be told who must be trusted."
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You don't have to be a US citizen to judge for yourself.
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The U.S. 1st Amendment gives you the right to choose.
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The U.S. 1st Amendment gives you the right to choose.
"The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.
The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.
As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases.
When alerted about an ill passenger or crew member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease."
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"The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.
The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.
As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases.
When alerted about an ill passenger or crew member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease."
Very interesting to those few who didn't know that already,but with all due respect, in what way do you find it relevant?
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Very interesting to those few who didn't know that already,but with all due respect, in what way do you find it relevant?
Some Americans think their "freedom of speech" is unique and trumps all.
That's how it is relevant.
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Old 08-31-2021, 01:20 PM   #13
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Communication

I have no idea why I'm stupidly jumping into this dead end forum where there are a select few who determine what is "truth" and what is not truth, and could possibly delete my message even if what I said WAS true, if it didn't follow what this select few think.
This concept bothers me.
It pits people against people, it stifles open communication, and violates the rights to free speech, to name a few. It is not productive to be sheep, and although it is a proven strategy that works to accomplish a certain goal (think what nazi Germany did with this concept), in my mind I don't want to see history do a repeat.

I don't care which way you lean on this issue.....I just want to have a conversation where I can at least hear your thoughts AND especially your reasons so I CAN wrap my head around all the different and contradictory scientific beliefs, statements, and facts.

Right now for every scientist that says the shot is good, there is a scientist that says it isn't. What am I to believe if there is no open communication?

("Scientist" meaning - doctors, Ph.D's, medical specialists, pharmaceutical specialists, research biologists, pharmaceutical researchers, etc.....people who have studied biology and/or drugs and/or human interactions and know more than I do on these subjects.)

If there is such an "unbiased think tank" will someone please lead me to it?
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Some Americans think their "freedom of speech" is unique and trumps all.
That's how it is relevant.
Interesting point of view since there is no obvious mention of any infringement or promotion of speech (free or compelled) in the aforementioned comment.
If you see relevance, you must have also perceived some hidden segue.
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I'll leave it to you guys to exercise your rights.
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Does it really matter what the scientists say? Look at the data. Attached is a link to an article from North Carolina regarding covid deaths. The probability of unvaccinated people dying is 25 times greater than vaccinated persons. A CDC report (see attached) states unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated people. These are just two reports indicating the vaccine works. I am sure there is those out there saying it is not true, cherry picked data, Democrat party hoax, the vaccine kills people, (and it does, but these cases are far and few between), etc. Masks help but are not absolute protection. If you don't believe masks help, then the next time you go to the hospital for an operation, just tell the doctors and nurses they don't need to wear masks.

My perspective: Take the politics out of it, Dr Fauci is not criminal, get over your civil liberties being denied, get vaccinated, wear a mask (for those who can), protect the kids who can't be vaccinated and stop the virus before it mutates into something really really bad.


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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-...ith-covid.html
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And watch out for microchips in that horse deworming medication.
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Old 08-31-2021, 03:27 PM   #18
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Right now for every scientist that says the shot is good, there is a scientist that says it isn't. What am I to believe if there is no open communication?
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That is patently untrue. The...
doctors, Ph.D's, medical specialists, pharmaceutical specialists, research biologists, pharmaceutical researchers, etc.....people who have studied biology and/or drugs and/or human interactions and know more than I do on these subjects
who say the vaccine is not good are very few and far between.
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That is patently untrue.
Sure it is untrue, if you use actual numbers.
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Please allow me a short rant....

OK, I know that for many reasons there is debate about masks (AKA face coverings).
And I do see most people wearing masks.. either because they think it helps prevent virus spread, because it is required by law or policy, or they just decided it wont hurt and heck.. it might help. This rant is not about that.

The vast majority of people I see with masks have them UNDER their nose, which allows virus laden droplets to be expelled without resistance! I just saw a local TV news report from a vaccination clinic where they interviewed a guy who said he would do everything he could to help prevent COVID. Everything except cover his nose I guess! And they showed one other guy also.. also mask under nose. I had a HVAC guy at my house this week. He put his mask on before he even got out of the truck. He was here for about 35 minutes.. mask under his nose the entire time. Its the same all to often at grocery stores, etc. So it is a false sense of security.. they would be better off to ditch the mask which they are not wearing properly and thereby be aware that they need to keep social distancing, keep their hands away for their mouth and nose, and wash their hands frequently.

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