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Old 03-25-2020, 01:11 PM   #1
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New forum for Covid-19 Topics - README

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Old 03-25-2020, 01:25 PM   #2
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Thanks Janet.

We do need a place to discuss this, especially as it relates to our interest in camping. This subject may seem a bit unrelated, but I don't think it is. And it must remain civil to work at all.
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:12 PM   #3
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How well America is able to flatten and bend its epidemiological curve of infections depends largely on how willing people will be to sacrifice individual convenience and fun vs their desire to perhaps save the lives of others.


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Old 03-25-2020, 08:14 PM   #4
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Colorado stay-at-home order.

On Wednesday, Gov. Jared Polis issued a mandatory stay-at-home order for all residents of Colorado, to take effect Thursday, March 26 at 6 a.m. and to last through April 11 unless rescinded or modified. (Read the full text of the state order.)

Under the executive order, residents must remain at home, and only leave their home to engage in activities or perform tasks critical to their health and safety, or to the health and safety of their family or household members or to go to or return from "critical work."

According to the order, residents can leave their home to:

Obtain food and other household necessities for themselves and their family or household members.
Deliver those services or supplies to others, such as, food, pet supply, other household consumer products, and products or equipment necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation, and critical operation of a residence.
To engage in outdoor activity, such as, walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes of outdoor activity, state parks will remain open to the public to engage in walking, hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all playgrounds, picnic areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended areas shall be closed.
To perform work for critical industries.
To care for a family member, a vulnerable person, or pet in another household, or to care for livestock kept at a location other than an individual's home.
To seek medical care

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Old 03-26-2020, 09:06 AM   #5
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Apparently, we now have a large number of testing kits but not so large that they can be used by people without symptoms. Since approximately half of the people who get Wuhan Covid_19 do not have symptoms, this is potentially dangerous for those of us who are senior citizens. One of my in-laws got exposed to the virus and called us to let us know that they are breaking off contact except for phone conversations for several weeks. They do not have symptoms but could still be contagious. Thus, the stay at home warning is useful for avoiding infection.

One good way of listening is to listen to both President Trump and to the contrasting views of his two doctors on the panel. Contrast and Comparison. I heard an excellent presentaion by Dr. Fauci on WMAL where he explained why the medical and political viewpoints have to be different. He said that it is not that he disagrees with the president but his mission as a medical researcher and infectious disease specialist has to be different from the political persons. Senate, House and the President, are elected to make political tradeoffs. That kind of discussion needs to take place and this new forum may be one spot for it to take place so that we can provide rational input both to our doctors and our politicians.

I have had difficulty with both sets of individuals as this has progressed. My local congressman thinks that his political views are the only way to approach the issue (suprise - not). My doctor also thinks that the medical views of the CDC are the only way to approach the issue. EG, he does not include the medical views of the Chinese, Korean and Taiwanese equivalents of the CDC. He does not iike medical studies that are not double blinded large scale randomized control studies that are the "Gold Standard" of medical research.

As a retired researcher, I know the difference and also know that if my life depended on it, I would take the results of the non-gold standard studies that each individually point to the same answer with >90% success. This does NOT mean that those studies are correct only that they are "probably" correct. Who knows what the real meaning of "probably" is in this context.

One can contrast the approaches taken by two governers of two different states - both of the same party. One asked for huge quantities of the "promising" medicine to try out. The other banned the use of the medicine outside the hospital setting on the grounds that it was not proven. Time will tell which approach is "correct". In the mean time, I am glad that I am not in either state but in a relatively low hit state.

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Old 03-26-2020, 09:13 AM   #6
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Old 03-26-2020, 09:32 AM   #7
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Work from home sounds like more fun than it is. Politicians spin, some more than others. Doctors have a different mindset and goal. Churchill provided leadership, didn't try to lead soldiers in the field. Military officers with that expertise did that job.

I have a feeling history will not be all that kind in its judgment of some actions or decisions if this goes anywhere near the results of the pandemic flu of 1918 which was a similar virus. An additional 1.4% +/- of the US population died in the year 1918. On one hand ones own odds are not that bad for being in the small percentage that dies in one of these things. On the other hand given the current population that is almost 5 million people.

Hopefully we will be able to slow the infection rate to where our excellent health care workers and medical infrastructure can save lives. We will end up owing them and the people who are making it so we can still go to the store and purchase food, medicine and other essentials. Nice to say thank you to them if you have the occasion to be benefitting from their efforts.

I'm already getting a bit skeptical about at least early summer camping. Hopefully by June this will have run itself down a bit.

Testing a high percentage of the population so we can apply the proven method of test, isolate, and contact track would be great. If not it doesn't change the best defense we as individuals can mount is just stay home and avoid social contact. With days of being contagious and essentially symptom free social distancing is the only thing that makes sense.

Beside dear wife will get that look in her eye and says a most emphatic "no" whenever I mention going to the store. I can go to the park and walk the dog around the loop. Not many people and we can keep our distance from each other. I mean other people!


Although this goes on too long I think one of us will social distance the other to the garden shed.
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Old 03-26-2020, 10:23 AM   #8
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Good idea Janet!

I am very happy to see this new forum topic added, and sincerely look forward to a time when it is no longer longer needed.

I do hope that we can avoid politics here (but love jerryís Post about that new testing kit ) and stick to updates on camping sites & problems we need to consider this summer should we need to travel.

Most of us are at home and it would be good to compare notes on practical problems we encounter & ways to solve while staying safe. Iíve always found this site to be a tremendous knowledge base.

Wishing everyone good health - mental & physical.
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Old 03-26-2020, 11:15 AM   #9
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I do hope that everyone will pay attention to the need for social distancing, and for staying home, so that we all can be safe. And I trust that most folks are going to be sensible and take good care, especially us seniors who are at higher risk. That said, as a full timer, my home IS my camper. I don't have any other home. And it is tough to find a safe place to camp right now with so many of the state parks and now even national parks closing their campgrounds. Another full timer I'm in touch with was happily ensconced at a national park campground for 2 weeks, hunkered down there as long as they would let her. They even suspended paying for campsites at some point. Now she has been told she has to leave because they are closing the campground and wonders how this is going to make anyone safer. And yes, I understand that most national parks and forests and BLM lands are remote, far from full medical care. And if someone were to get very sick and need to be taken to a hospital, the rangers who would have to transport them would get potentially exposed, put at risk, and have to be quarantined for 2 weeks. So I understand the reasoning. However, for full timers, where should we shelter in place? I can't afford to spend a month in an RV park, and they are sometimes so tightly packed, I'm not sure they are safe.

My own situation is complicated by the fact I'm a retired RN and work one day a week remotely with patients on the phone. This requires excellent wifi, which I'm not going to find on BLM land. Or even in every RV park. Challenging times! Lucky for me, I am currently staying in a cousin's driveway where her wifi extends nicely, and we can maintain our 6' of social distancing. Really don't want to overstay my welcome here, though. But where to go next?
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Thank you Janet for being the adult in the room addressing a very serious topic but some children don't comprehend your post or just can't behave. Try posting in all caps maybe.as highlighting does't work and just delete all political opinions period.
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Old 03-26-2020, 12:51 PM   #11
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I really liked your post. I read an interesting view of sex during the Corona virus on DW. When I got to the no from your wife I expected a different "NO" response! Try to do the best you can without driving each other crazy, I think the garden is a good idea. Cheers from Toronto we are under "strict" social distancing orders which are almost unenforceable unless we bring in the army and even then NOT.
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All Community Rules will be strictly enforced in this forum. Posts in violation of the rules may be deleted without notification based on the judgment of the moderators. In addition, posts that exhibit fear-mongering or other anti-social behavior may result in the author’s posting privileges being restricted. Please be especially cautious about posting politically charged content and be sure to report problem posts.

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I understand that we are all on edge and that many are sidelined by enforced social distancing BUT that's no excuse for anti-social posting on this forum.

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Thanks for your efforts. It will be hard to keep politics out of these discussions since it's had so much to do with where we are now and apparently will have much to do with how we operate going forward. There's not a lot of RV'n going on, we need some good restoration threads!
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Thanks for your efforts. It will be hard to keep politics out of these discussions since it's had so much to do with where we are now and apparently will have much to do with how we operate going forward. There's not a lot of RV'n going on, we need some good restoration threads!
I agree that it's difficult but we must find ways to discuss this without hurling insults and instead with an "abundance of courtesy"
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Old 03-26-2020, 05:48 PM   #15
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To Promote Social Distancing, BLM Suspends Public Lands Entrance Fees

https://westernwire.net/to-promote-s...entrance-fees/


It won't be of much benefit to us here in Colorado since we are in a state-wide lockdown, be hey, we have something to look forward to.

Generates more than a few questions!
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I understand while during the current shelter in place regulations why grocery store , medical facilities , banks and gas stations are exempt but why are liquor stores allowed to remain open and classified as essential ?
I have never thought that alcohol was a necessity of life , evidently I was wrong . Just seems rather strange !
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Apparently very heavy drinkers can die if alcohol is suddenly withdrawn. They would first fill up hospital beds, which we don't need right now. Tsk, tsk, doesn't help.
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Man that's harsh! Would you really want folks to have to wait til Easter for a drink?
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I understand while during the current shelter in place regulations why grocery store , medical facilities , banks and gas stations are exempt but why are liquor stores allowed to remain open and classified as essential ?
I have never thought that alcohol was a necessity of life , evidently I was wrong . Just seems rather strange !
For the answer to that, you only have to look at what happened in Denver Tuesday. Hiz Onor announced that all liquor and pot shops will be ordered to close the next day. Well, what do you think happened! The panic buying pics at Cosco looked like an orderly checkout compared to what happened at the stores.

Social Distancing, yea sure if you count shoving people out of the way to get your two-month supply of booze and joints. The scenes of that many people that close together scared him sh.....s, well that and the loss of drug taxes, and less than 24 hours later he rescinded the order. Both are now classified as "Essential Services".

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Apparently, we now have a large number of testing kits but not so large that they can be used by people without symptoms. Since approximately half of the people who get Wuhan Covid_19 do not have symptoms, this is potentially dangerous for those of us who are senior citizens...
I had heard someplace on TV that if a person is asymptomatic the test will not show a positive, therefore testing someone with no symptoms is useless. Any medical people here who can confirm or deny this?


It's interesting that 1/2 the people who get Covid-19 will show no symptoms. What does this say about a virus when half the people who have it feel completely fine? Doesn't it imply that compromised immune systems and preexisting medical conditions might play a huge part in the 1 per 1,000 (latest Oxford study numbers) who gets sick enough to be hospitalized?
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