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Old 01-20-2018, 08:27 AM   #1
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a new quartzite question

ok we now have our plumbing situation figured out you know a portapotte now we have found a tent so we will have an outhouse.

I am thinking of how I am going to secure said outhouse you know not have it blowing over while you are doing your business.

I have heard the ground is pretty hard to I think my solution is take my battery drill and drill holes to secure the pegs.

what do you experts think?

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Old 01-20-2018, 08:56 AM   #2
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As a backpacker, who has tented MANY times on solid rock, the best way is to secure guylines to large (or multiple medium) rocks.

Can do this by either tying directly to a rock, or tying to a normal tent peg, then setting the rock(s) on top of the peg/line. Practice makes perfect and properly done, secures in quite high winds.

Should always aim for LNT - Leave No Trace. When you leave a campsite, no one should be able to tell you were there. That means no digging, return rocks to where you got them, only camp on durable surfaces, and many more principles. Seldom see LNT mentioned in association with trailer/van camping, and that is a shame.

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Old 01-20-2018, 09:48 AM   #3
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yes

well I know all that but I am not risking the outhouse blowing over. I think I can drill some small holes and drive the small stakes down. when leaving pull the stakes fill the very small holes and done.

I don't backpack I respect people that do and the things they do everything taken in taken out including you know what. I have seen the trail to mount everestt disgusting but for the part of the world that is what happens.

I think life is going to be fun at quartzite

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Old 01-20-2018, 11:08 AM   #4
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ok we now have our plumbing situation figured out you know a portapotte now we have found a tent so we will have an outhouse.

I am thinking of how I am going to secure said outhouse you know not have it blowing over while you are doing your business.

I have heard the ground is pretty hard to I think my solution is take my battery drill and drill holes to secure the pegs.

what do you experts think?

thanks

bob
While the ground is hard & rocky, I've never had a problem driving nail type tent pegs (although getting them out can be interesting). The traditional plastic (or even metal) ones don't work all that well...
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I made my own tent pegs out of spikes and poly rope.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:17 PM   #6
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Get some rebar cut in 12” lengths. Then have someone weld heavy duty washers to top of one end on each. Makes great anchors. IMO
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:39 PM   #7
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Big rocks, concrete blocks, tubes of sand, gallons of water, I've seen them all holding vendor tents at our local festivals. We get a lot of wind in our area.
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Instead of below ground stakes, consider an above ground solution. Look at how the tents and canopies are anchored at shows and exhibits. They often have eyelets set in concrete blocks, or use pvc sewer pipe filled with concrete.
For you, I'd get 4 Home Depot buckets, fill them with water, and snap on the lids. That's 40 lbs each, and easier to set up & take down than concrete anchors.
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Old 01-20-2018, 02:11 PM   #9
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Whoo Hooo say the "Snattle rakes"

I am sure the scorpions and rattle sankes will love it no mater how you fasten it to the ground.

Ok biologist humour.

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Old 01-20-2018, 10:29 PM   #10
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yep yep

not hauling water, no doubt I can drive the nails things into the ground just thinking other soultions if the need be.

now some sort of desert desease has came up but I don't care we are going. thanks for the tip on the rattlesnakes the wife will love that one.

while tenting in Hawaii we found some kind of long slingy worm in our tent the natives we camped with said they were dangerous.

oh well

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Instead of below ground stakes, consider an above ground solution. Look at how the tents and canopies are anchored at shows and exhibits. They often have eyelets set in concrete blocks, or use pvc sewer pipe filled with concrete.
For you, I'd get 4 Home Depot buckets, fill them with water, and snap on the lids. That's 40 lbs each, and easier to set up & take down than concrete anchors.
Great idea, but use rocks instead of water. Water is much harder to come by than rocks at Quartzsite. Lots of rocks available at Quartzsite.
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not hauling water, no doubt I can drive the nails things into the ground just thinking other soultions if the need be. bob

Bob, snakes won't be a worry at this time of year, haven't seen one in two months in my desert, too cold. Unless you bring your own rocks you really won't find much bigger than 6" at the Q area. The 10" metal spikes/nails with washers, from the big box stores, works very well in the Dome Rock ground. Leave your drill at home, a 16oz claw hammer with the flatter claw for removal is fine.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:14 AM   #13
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new for quartzite

thanks for all the interesting comments I will take them all into conideraton I have camped many times in az and we never stated our tent down but this outhouse thing a little different.

to suit the natives there should we put a sign outhouse on

the little guy?

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Old 01-21-2018, 08:15 AM   #14
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dave we will be at dome rock look for a red ford edge and a crummy unbraked scamper to roll through there!!




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Shouldn't be a problem, I stake my screen room and patio mat. The ground is hard but still not a problem using tent stakes.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:27 AM   #16
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well shouldn't be a problem I have dealt with permafrost in Alaska strange stuff!!


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Hey, Dave Fish!

How are you doing?

You've seen our milk gallon jugs we bring empty and fill with water...they also work for sand, dirt, gravel...and I especially like putting a drop of food coloring into each one before we fill with water.

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I use this type of stake almost everywhere except sand. Most sporting suppliers have them they are pretty cheep. The vendors outside the big tent in Quartzsite carry them and verious other types. We just got back from Quartzsite.


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Hard to beat steel pole barn spikes from the lumber company. They are about 8-10 inches long and 3/8th inch in diameter. You can drive them into nearly anything that is not solid rock, though you may need a crow bar to get them out.

If camping on solid rock, just use some 3M VHB tape and secure the tent to the roof of your tow.

Easy elimination to all, john

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I would make a wise crack about snakes but that would almost guarantee I get snake bit. A worse hazard is those cholla cactus balls. Bring a good pair of tweezers.
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