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Old 04-22-2018, 08:53 AM   #261
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Parkliner?
I am a rookie and just stumbled on their fiberglass. Casita or scamp wait?
Perhaps parkliner 16’ available this year.
Til then our Bonair ‘86 13 footer.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:56 AM   #262
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OK, Jon, you are back in the running to compare at least 3. It is more than weights and dimensions.

You too Bob.

Please wait to be contacted by the manufacturers.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:09 AM   #263
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The Parkliner is an attractive choice

Meanwhile Bob Kowtz was named Salesman of the Month at Oliver.

Airstream is reportedly a contender for Product of the Year, with its Nest.

Airstream is also a contender for Salesman of the Year at Casita, Scamp, and Escape. Don't be surprised if backlogs increase.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:17 AM   #264
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There is a detailed walk thru with Patrick Boticelli on Colonial Airstream's website.

Certainly, everything is first class and well done. There do not seem to be any additional options. You can't add solar to the roof. There is no TV or speakers altho there is a place where just maybe, you could mount one.

Supposedly Airstreams can be had at a 20% or so discount from MSRP. Don't know if that would apply to a brand new product tho.

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Old 04-22-2018, 10:23 AM   #265
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What difference does it make to a fridge whether it is day or night. The temperature is going to be whatever it is regardless of the time of day. 20C is 20C.
I gathered from my reading that the refrigerator runs quieter when the night switch is engaged.

Of course, that could lead us to ask what the switch does to the refrigerator's operation and its ability to cool, but I don't know the answer to that.
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Old 04-22-2018, 10:27 AM   #266
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For the record, my research on RV AC/DC only refrigerators landed on an item called the Danfoss compressor which was alleged to be used in all current models of this type. I found at least one article in a truckers website who had done a lot of math comparing absorption vs compressor 12 volt energy use. I was in someone's new Jayco travel trailer a couple of days ago that had a Norcold AC/DC fridge. I am starting to suspect that running the fridge on propane may be on the way out in this industry.

Like many old guys, I don't always readily embrace change, but Airstream may be a little more forward thinking than our old friends at Scamp and Casita, etc. Some of the modern features on the Nest are very desirable.
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For the record, my research on RV AC/DC only refrigerators landed on an item called the Danfoss compressor which was alleged to be used in all current models of this type. I found at least one article in a truckers website who had done a lot of math comparing absorption vs compressor 12 volt energy use. I was in someone's new Jayco travel trailer a couple of days ago that had a Norcold AC/DC fridge. I am starting to suspect that running the fridge on propane may be on the way out in this industry.

Like many old guys, I don't always readily embrace change, but Airstream may be a little more forward thinking than our old friends at Scamp and Casita, etc. Some of the modern features on the Nest are very desirable.
Absorption refrigerators require generating heat and boiling an ammonia solution, so carrying away the 'waste heat' becomes a big part of the challenge in their operation. Operating absorption refrigerators on 12VDC is only intended to "maintain" a temperature, not to initially cool the refrigerator, and it can still deplete a battery quite quickly if there's no charging system to sustain them. The big advantage with the absorption refrigerators is simply that one can carry a much greater amount of stored energy in the LP tank. So, we are able to operate absorption refrigerators conveniently and economically for an extended period when off the grid, even though they are relatively less efficient.

The 12VDC compressors are very efficient. The practical tradeoff comes with the relatively small amount of energy we can store in batteries. While a solar system could serve to recharge the batteries, I've never seriously looked into what one would need in terms of solar capacity. Of particular concern to me would be how less-then-optimal exposure to sunlight due to weather or shaded site conditions would affect generation, though one could also consider a small generator or even the tow vehicle's role in charging the batteries. I anticipate that it's generally practical as many others have posted that sort of information online; I just haven't read it that closely.

When we ordered our Escape, we went with their default absorption refrigerator. We did this in part to 'keep it simple' so we could move forward and not let perfection be the enemy of good. I also took comfort from the fact that the Escape 21 refrigerator has a roof vent as opposed to the sidewall venting on our Casita which inhibited the performance of the absorption refrigerator and got me involved in some retrofitting to improve the 'waste heat' handling.

If the refrigerator on the Escape were to ever poop out on us, I'd certainly give the compressor fridge a serious look. So, yeah, let's give change a chance.
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Do-It-Yourself Trailer has an article out this AM about the new Airstream Nest.

It is very sleek inside (as we saw on the early video)--Danish modern, really, with sliding upper cabinet doors.

It is $45,900. It weighs 3,400 dry/curb. It has a queen bed that can be permanent if you remove the 2nd galley counter and have a bench and movable table installed instead. Thus, the two floor plans.

This answers my big questions.

Only the one bed no matter how you slice it (we very much need two, even if they are cot-sized). 3,400 dry is too heavy for us. And $45,900 (not counting tax, license, dealer prep, and whatever else they can think of to throw in there, options and whatnot) is too spendy for us for a trailer I basically don't like.

My whimsical cloudy thoughts of upgrading one day to a Nest are over. Back to committing to Peanut until Paul is too old to handle it, at which time we'll sell it and be done camping.

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Hi: Kai in Seattle... Wonder how much that'd be in Canadian "Brass bucks"?
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Old 04-22-2018, 12:42 PM   #269
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welcome j my policy is poor people have poor ways my 95 13f scamper if just fine for us!


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Old 04-22-2018, 12:46 PM   #270
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fridge

I will stick with my old 3 way fridge that will only ever be ran on gas! we go primitive campsite when we do pay camp so without electricity we use our gas sipper fridge.

I am glad though many modern things coming I just don't want to pay for it.

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Old 04-22-2018, 01:07 PM   #271
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Unfortunately there aren't many absorption refrigerators that don't need some DC on gas. A good rule of thumb is if the controls are on the inside of the trailer, the fridge will use DC on gas. A good number is about 1/2 amp 100% duty cycle. The dometic 2192/3 is one of the few left with no battery drain on gas.

I expect gas fridges to be gone in 10 years or at the very least an expensive option. Compressor fridges are cheaper to install. Many manufacturers don't bother to vent them. Even cheaper.
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Old 04-22-2018, 03:07 PM   #272
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If a lot of us paid someone for every mod/upgrade to our campers we would be very close to the Nest price. Too modern looking for my taste.
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:14 PM   #273
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our fridge is original to our 95 no dc needed. I doubt if the actual draw on the battery would be that much that you couldn't run a charge off your car daily for protection but if the battery did run down just recharge it.


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Old 04-22-2018, 04:18 PM   #274
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thanks tom I like those Olivers!!


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Old 04-22-2018, 04:24 PM   #275
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my thinking layout 55k for a trailer just in the beginning stages 55k for a trailer built by an expert in the fiberglass field for quite a few years.


the Oliver wins hands down!


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Old 04-22-2018, 05:52 PM   #276
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Airstream Nest Officially Announced

Bob, the developer of the Nest is one of the foremost craftsmen and fiberglass renovators in the business. Designer Robert Johans has continued to collaborate with Airstream since they acquired the rights to the design. I assume that includes monitoring the production process during the phase-in period.

Whether Airstream will maintain Johans' meticulous standards is a fair question. But this is no beginner's project.

Oliver has the advantage when it comes to personalized customer service before, during, and after purchase. There's much to be said for the factory direct sales model.

But I really don't see a lot of direct competition between Nest and Oliver. Oliver's bread and butter is the larger Elite II, which is in a whole different size and weight class than the Nest.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:12 PM   #277
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I just checked air streams website. A Bambi sport was listed for $45900. Seems like a logical choice to select the Bambi
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:23 PM   #278
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no problem some like lincolns I have good luck with cadillacs. I don't see nest competing with anyone really I said if I had the 55k I would buy a rig that has been on the market for quite awhile and that would be the Oliver.


no one knows yet what surprises are in store for the nest and how efficient airstream with be in either supporting or fixing their problems.


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Old 04-22-2018, 08:48 PM   #279
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one additional comment doesn't oliver sell directly no dealers? if so no dealer network to deal with, no huge dealer markup no salesman commission no lots of things on the side of the Oliver resulting in a savings to the customer. the oliver in this case might be really valued at 80k.


if Oliver sells dealer only new game! by the way I have known a lot of people in my professional career who could design build things but getting over to the retail side is a whole new game. I have know very few people with the skills to do this!


Getting something in house, getting it ready to be sold, build a sales force to sell it and keep everyone motivated to get up every morning is a real game! convincing a customer to shell out 55k when they are kicking tires that is a major undertaking!


many try many fail


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Old 04-22-2018, 09:11 PM   #280
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Bob , my wife and I have looked at the top end fiberglass trailers .
The Oliver may seem expensive to some but the quality and pride of build leaps out at you .
We liked our Scamp and like our Casita and feel we got exactly what we paid for
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