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Old 04-12-2018, 08:57 AM   #161
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Nest vs. Bambi: Doctor's Orders

Nest is about 500 pounds heavier than a Sport 16 "Bambi." 2-way DC compressor fridge rather than 2-way absorption fridge. Two only- Bambi can accommodate up to four in a pinch. 7' versus 8' wide. Rear entry versus side entry. Sleek all-fiberglass versus classic Airstream.

Virtually head-to-head on price and length but an interesting study in contrasts.

Rx: Nest needs to lose 500 pounds. Bambi needs to lose 8" at the waist.
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:01 AM   #162
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There is a long list of standard equipment, but I found no options offered. Yeah, I get it, $45,900 or more.
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About 500 pounds heavier than a Bambi 16. 2-way DC compressor fridge rather than 2-way absorption fridge. Two only- Bambi can accommodate up to four in a pinch. 7' versus 8' wide. Sleek all-fiberglass versus classic Airstream.

Virtually head-to-head on price but an interesting study in contrasts.

Rx: Nest needs to lose 500 pounds. Bambi needs to lose about 6" at the waist- 8' looks too wide for that length IMO.
Good point

Unit Base Weight (with LP & Batteries) 3,400

Interesting that it does not say with tanks full. If that is with out the water tank (I am sure it is without thinking of the grey/black tank full). The water tank adds 200lb, and the grey/black tank adds up to 250lb.

So 3600-3850lb without cargo (assuming the posted weight is without filled tanks). Than a minimum Hitch Weight (with LP & Batteries) 375lb. Putting it way past the smaller SUV's. Will need a mid sized truck, or large SUV to pull it. Putting that in perspective, a Scamp 16 standard is looking at ~2500lb-2667, with tanks and cargo. Of course most people are not running with the water tank and grey tank full.
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The water tank adds 200lb, and the grey/black tank adds up to 250lb.
It is highly unlikely that both tanks would be full at the same time.

Though another 500 lb axle weight would add more of a buffer.

You will still easily tow it with a mid-sized SUV that has a 5.000 lb towing capacity. This was their intended tow vehicle target. You just can't build in the features they want without the weight.

As mentioned earlier, when being interviewed by the Airstream research team, they told me they are strongly considering a smaller, lighter trailer for the next model release.
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:23 AM   #165
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It is highly unlikely that both tanks would be full at the same time.

Though another 500 lb axle weight would add more of a buffer.
I agree and had already edited that into my post. I have seen it happen, people use the RV sites source (or just fill up), so their on-board tank is full then pull up to the dump site before leaving.

My bad, I was thinking of the majority of SUV's (mostly see the smaller ones) on the road, and not the much larger ones. I don't think of my Suburban as an SUV but as a truck.
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My 17 ft Casita when loaded for travel and with empty tanks
( Gray , Black , Freshwater ) weighs around 3200 lbs so the weight of the Nest does not seem out of line to me. My Casita with all tanks full would be in the 3800 lb range
** I travel with the gray , black , and fresh water tanks almost empty **
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I agree and had already edited that into my post. I have seen it happen, people use the RV sites source (or just fill up), so their on-board tank is full then pull up to the dump site before leaving.
For a short haul exceeding the weight capacity a bit would not hurt anything though. A long haul would be a different thing.
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My bad, I was thinking of the majority of SUV's (mostly see the smaller ones) on the road, and not the much larger ones. I don't think of my Suburban as an SUV but as a truck.
I consider a Suburban, of which I have had one, a full-sized SUV, but it really is just a pickup with an enclosed cargo space.

I was thinking Pilot, Highlander, etc.
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I consider a Suburban, of which I have had one, a full-sized SUV, but it really is just a pickup with an enclosed cargo space.

I was thinking Pilot, Highlander, etc.
Those were what I was thinking as well.

Pilot---1500 lb towing
Highlander---1500-5k depending on model.
Rav 4---1500-3500 lb
4runner---5k
CR-V 1500 lb
Jeep Wrangle 3500

Edit: I am not holding the Nest's weight against it, just that it is something that needs to be considered.
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Those were what I was thinking as well.

Pilot---1500 lb towing
Highlander---1500-5k depending on model.
Rav 4---1500-3500 lb
4runner---5k
CR-V 1500 lb
Jeep Wrangle 3500

Edit: I am not holding the Nest's weight against it, just that it is something that needs to be considered.
A Pilot has a 5,000 lb capacity. I know, I towed an Escape 19 with one for many years.

I know folks towing and Escape 21 easily with a Highlander

My brother has a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a tow capacity over 5,000 lb, though forget what that is.

Dodge Durango is another one over 5,000 lbs.

Plus, I would imagine a Nest purchaser might use some of the more luxurious ones that have capable tow capacities.
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A Pilot has a 5,000 lb capacity. I know, I towed an Escape 19 with one for many years.

I know folks towing and Escape 21 easily with a Highlander

My brother has a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a tow capacity over 5,000 lb, though forget what that is.

Dodge Durango is another one over 5,000 lbs.

Plus, I would imagine a Nest purchaser might use some of the more luxurious ones that have capable tow capacities.
Well google failed me, it is what said 1500 lb. Looking more into it 4WD models are 5000, 2WD is 3500.

And I did say the Highlander had a range, it just depends on the model.

Yes the Grand Cherokee is 3.5-7.2, again depends on the model.

Like I already said, I was wrong and I was thinking of the smaller SUV's that I mostly see. You are looking at a larger SUV to pull it.
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mostly see. You are looking at a larger SUV.
Larger than the small ones, yes, but still considered mid-sized.
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Larger than the small ones, yes, but still considered mid-sized.
Well about half of mid-size ones, from looking at spec's, and even then it depends on the options you pick.
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Mid-sized SUV's:

Honda Pilot, 5000#
Toyota Highlander, 5000#
Toyota 4Runner, 5000#
Ford Explorer, 5000#
GMC Acadia, 5200#
Chevrolet Traverse, 5200#
Nissan Pathfinder, 6000#
Hyundai Santa Fe, 5000#
Kia Sorento, 5000#
Dodge Durango, 6200#
Jeep Grand Cherokee, 6200#
VW Atlas, 5000#
Subaru Ascent, 5000#

Properly equipped, of course. Many require a certain trim, drivetrain, or factory tow package to obtain the maximum tow rating.

I did not include premium brands, which also have many vehicles capable of towing the Nest. I expect we'll see some of them in service.

Point is they clearly targeted this class of vehicle when they set the Nest's GVWR at 4000 pounds. Personally, I think they overshot a bit on the empty weight. Gotta have some margin for the toys you'll want to bring.
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here is their sales

the scenario I see couple either young or upon retirement thinking lets buy a camper. They are well dumb to put it bluntly and walk into that fancy dealership we have one outside st. Louis its beyond beautiful.

a trained salesman who knows how to sell luxury he is not a chevy salesman I bet spies them out on the lot they have camera s you know and each salesman gets a turn on new customers.

he sizes the couple up asks a few key questions and after thinking he knows where they fit in! this nest at 47,000.00 no add ons has a big sales commission. he shows them all the selling points they don't even know about at this point but they are impressed.

so into the dealership with now a sales manager or coach involved the big sales pitch takes place with pressure. Now the salesman has a sale but oh now I have to this through financing another trip to a well trained person to finally get the money. where the money comes from who knows who cares credit not so good big bump may even have to have gap insurance tagged to it.

after financing even the sales tax and insurance this 47k trailer might turn into a high 50s sale. big profits big commissions you just never know but do we look great in this trailer. no money to travel but we have the trailer!!

I can see pulling that job into the neighborhood.... I don't see that happening here by the way. I would bet most of the rigs paid for many times most for cash money!

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The amount of unlisted add on's and upgrades offered is staggering, though this is true for any trailer.

The Nest really is interesting, like the Basecamp it does not really fall in line with the other Airstreams, the normal upgrade path is just not there. It is clearly aimed at tapping a different market.
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As Long as you got it...
go with it!!...

Cadillac Escalade
Lincoln Navigator
Land Rover Range Rover
Mercedes Benz GLS
Infinti QX80
Lexus LX570

better yet!... AMG G 65 SUV
At a quarter million dollars it must be "luxurious"!(not really though)
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Floyd you wont believe it but I saw an amg at a campground in Europe no he wasn't tugging a camper he was following his parents!!! I ask him if I could just touch it!!

crazy

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As Long as you got it...
go with it!!...

Cadillac Escalade
Lincoln Navigator
Land Rover Range Rover
Mercedes Benz GLS
Infinti QX80
Lexus LX570

better yet!... AMG G 65 SUV
At a quarter million dollars it must be "luxurious"!(not really though)


Make sure you get the upgrade.

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Make sure you get the upgrade.

Nice ain't it? Is that a bird on the tire cover??

I'll stick with Ford though, more miles, more comfort, more reliability...less money
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