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02-20-2015, 12:58 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Shawn
Trailer: In market for scamp 13
Nebraska
Posts: 12
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Best 6 cylinder minivan for towing
I'm planning to get a scamp later this year, and hoping to pull it with a 6 cylinder minivan.
I've read mixed reviews on Chrysler's Town and Country vans.
Anybody have any experience they'd like to relay?
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02-20-2015, 01:19 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: Escape 21C
New York
Posts: 2,387
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I've had 3 Dodge/Chrysler minivans that I didn't use for towing (other than a rare tow of a utility trailer). Had to have the transmission replaced or repaired on all of them. I wouldn't use one to tow a travel trailer.
You might take a look at the Honda Odyssey thread started by Norm & Ginny. They seem pleased with their purchase.
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02-20-2015, 01:22 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,925
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Pretty much any 6-cylinder minivan will make a more-than-adequate tow vehicle for a 13' fiberglass trailer. The choice will come down to your own judgment of quality, reliability, price, and features. I'm not sure an internet forum is the best place for objective data, but no doubt you'll get plenty of opinions and anecdotes.
The most important thing is to make sure whatever you choose has all the manufacturer's recommended equipment for towing at least 2500 pounds, including brakes on the trailer. The loaded weight of a 13'er can vary quite a bit, typically 1400-1900 pounds, and you probably don't want to be right at the upper limit.
For what it's worth, my personal choice would be a late-second generation Toyota Sienna ('09-'10) with the 3.5L engine. Hard to find with low miles, though, and my wife doesn't care for minivans, so we ended up with a Pilot.
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02-20-2015, 02:19 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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Honda Odyssey
Personally I believe most well constructed vehicles can tow a Scamp 13. We towed 3 different 16 foot trailers with a 4 cylinder 2004 Honda CRV, the heaviest weighing around 2600 pounds. We traded it in on the point of your poast, a mini van. (Since we travel all over North America, reliability is a prime consideration. In 250,000 miles we never had a drive line failure.)
Our Honda CRV was so reliable we decided to get a 2014 Honda Odyssey. So far we have only towed it on one trip. It's V-6 is very powerful and easily tows our 1991 Scamp 16. The most interesting aspect is it's cylinder management. On long trips it has given us a calculated 36 mpg, towing so far we've averaged 19 mpg.
A much as I like the cylinder management ability I wonder about it's long term reliability because we plan to keep it for 10 years. Other than that it's a large, very spacious and comfortable vehicle. It requires the addition of Honda's transmission cooler for towing.
The following is a link to a thread on the Odyssey on this site.
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...sey-65482.html
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2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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02-20-2015, 02:19 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler 1984
Posts: 2,938
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The Chrysler garage told me that our Dodge mini van was good to tow or our 13 ft Boler. Had to have th transmission replaced a few months later. We were then told by the same dealer that it wasn't meant to tow. Our Safari van was a great tow and carried more stuff than we could use. Loved our Toyota Highlander and our recent Ford Edge has proven to be a respectable and comfortable tug. The most liked was a Dodge Dakota extended cab pickup with their small V8.
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02-20-2015, 02:52 PM
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Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: 2005 Casita 17 LD
Florida
Posts: 56
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The vintage of the minivans is important. Early overdrive transmission tended to be under engineered. Newer versions don't seem to be as problematic. Honda had their own problems back around 05. When considering feedback try to find out what year. It seems transmissions have improved in capability and durability.
I still have a hard time putting those Chrysler minivan transmissions behind me, but that was an 89.
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02-20-2015, 03:54 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Gilles
Trailer: Bigfoot 25B21RB, 2004
Quebec
Posts: 693
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I have a caravan Trillium 4500 Jubilee 1980 bought in 2006, towed by Dodge Caravan 2003, 3.3 L., 6 cylinders, automatic 3 speeds more overdrive.
At Dodge to I was told that I could tow 3500 pounds, that from 2002 or 3 the installation of a radiator for the transmission was made for the factory.
I travelled of the Prince Edward Island up to Cape Cod and I have never had a problem.
I replaced by Dodge Journey 2012 with one 3.6 L, 6 cylinders, automatic 6 speeds, can use as semiautomatic, with radiator installed to the factory for the transmission and we told me no problems for 3500 pounds.
For 2 years when I have Journey and everything is still very well.
For Journey, we had informed me that it is brakes its weak point, they use faster than others model of the same category.
I know another camper who drives Gran Caravan Chrysler with the same engine and the transmission which I have, he possesses Trillium 5500 and goes in Florida, by leaving from Quebec. He told me that everything was well, with no problem at all.
If my comment can have reassured you, welcome.
Have a good day.
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Bigfoot 25B21RB.
Towed with Dodge RAM 1500 Echo-Diesel, 3.0 L., 8 speeds.
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02-20-2015, 04:26 PM
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Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: 2005 Casita 17 LD
Florida
Posts: 56
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That's a good report. I'm not currently in the market, but I wouldn't rule out any of the recent full size minivans. I'm just getting started myself and will be using a 94 f250 work truck that is already in the driveway till I have time to expand my range.
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02-21-2015, 06:33 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Wayne
Trailer: Airstream Sold, Nest Fan
Ontario
Posts: 2,002
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Good day Steve. All Mini Vans are not created equally and the newer ones tend to be better than the older ones especially when talking about Chrysler's.
IMHO Honda and Toyota's are most capable and have a proven track record even when towing good sized TT's. The new Chrysler vans are very robust too but we still see that reliability can be an issue.
The modest tow ratings do not reflect the capabilities of most modern mini vans and I think you would be amazed at how well they tow overall, even compared to the aging 250.
There was a long term towing test done by RV Lifestyle magazine a few years ago. They used a dual axle TT and a Dodge Caravan for the testing. They said it worked very well. You may still find the article on the net somewhere.
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02-21-2015, 11:17 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 16 ft Side Dinette
Posts: 1,279
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coletrain
I'm planning to get a scamp later this year, and hoping to pull it with a 6 cylinder minivan.
I've read mixed reviews on Chrysler's Town and Country vans.
Anybody have any experience they'd like to relay?
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We pulled a 16 ft Scamp Delux with three different Honda Odesseys,(sp?) 1999, 2004, and 2008. they were all factory, w/o and added kits. the only reason we traded them in was to upgrade. not for any problems.
What you need to learn though, is to downshift on uphill grades. At least take it out of overdrive when pulling hard, not cruising. Keep an eye on the engine temperature gauge to avoid overheating.
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02-21-2015, 01:34 PM
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Member
Name: Bill
Trailer: Escape
Tennessee
Posts: 43
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We pulled a vintage 2600 pound trailer with a 2004 Chrysler minivan from California to Oregon and back several times without an problem. We had transmission problems with earlier minivans but the 2004 was fine. It was rated with the towing package to tow 3800 pounds.
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02-21-2015, 04:41 PM
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Member
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
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Hmm, getting a little nervous here... Have a 2009 Gr Caravan 3.3L, and just bought a 2011 Scamp 13' (w/bath) and ele. brakes. I am used to slow accelerations, (better on gas), and easy on stopping (better on brakes). Don't plan on mountain trips. Hope I'll be okay ??
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02-21-2015, 06:27 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Patrick
Trailer: Shopping for new RV
North Carolina
Posts: 702
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Chrysler/Dodge mini-vans have had far too many transmission failures to ever be considered as a tow vehicle. No attempt to correct this defect in the transmissions have ever been made. A dealer's service manager told me if you load anything more than a few people in any Chrysler mini-van it will fail over time. He said it would be foolish to tow anything with one.
I suggest Honda or Toyota products and do not exceed their manufacturers published limits and you will be fine.
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02-21-2015, 06:59 PM
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Member
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
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Well, guess I'll have to see what happens, as we just bought the van last spring. It is an '09 and only has 23k on it (yes, odometer is accurate, an elderly couple owned it).
We have an '02 with 100K+ that we'd removed the seats and used like a truck for almost 10 yrs. bags of gravel, lumber, furniture, etc. Is it seal issues ? Maybe I should get a tranny cooler ? (Although neither our mechanic nor custom shop-installed hitch felt we'd need one).
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02-21-2015, 07:15 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,925
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Yes, get a tranny cooler. Some people (even mechanics) see a tiny fiberglass trailer and underestimate both the weight and the effect of frontal area on wind drag.
I made that mistake myself. When I first bought my Scamp, I owned a 2000 Sienna without a tow package. Since it was rated for 2000# without the package I thought I would be fine. I even asked my Toyota dealer, and they talked me out of adding a cooler.
First trip, first long grade against a headwind, the tranny overheated. Thanks to electronic nannies, it went into limp mode, so we were able to pull over safely, let it cool, and proceed gingerly. A later inspection didn't reveal evidence of permanent damage, but I learned my lesson. Sitting on the side of a busy interstate with the whole family, 100+ degrees without AC, waiting for the transmission to cool and uncertain whether it will ever move again... not a place you want to be!
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02-21-2015, 07:21 PM
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Member
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
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Thanks Jon ! I don't buy new vehicles, so am ignorant about options. What's included in a tow package besides a tranny cooler ? ( air adjustable shocks ?, heavy duty alternator ? )
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02-21-2015, 07:21 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Patrick
Trailer: Shopping for new RV
North Carolina
Posts: 702
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Good Luck !!!
The company I worked for owned a large fleet of Dodge Caravan Mini-vans.
Every single one had multiple transmission failures while under warranty and traded each one in before warranty expired on the drive trains. The owner of the company did not care because the failures never cost him a dime!
These vans were ordered with only front seats and were used to carry samples of building materials by sales representatives. Dodge supplied roadside assistance and towing when the transmissions failed. I can only assume Dodge had added in the cost of transmission replacement into the base price of these vans rather than re-engineer the transmission and drive-train. This series of incidents all occurred about 10 to 14 years ago. Since then I have avoided anything made by Dodge/Chrysler Corp.
All automobile manufacturers factor in the cost of their warranties in the base cost of their products. They do this based on known failure rates for each model.
This cost factor can run from less than $100 to many hundreds of dollars. Last I heard GMC had the highest dollar factor allocated to "warranty-support" to cover their high recall rate.
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02-21-2015, 07:37 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,925
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pineapple Man
Thanks Jon ! I don't buy new vehicles, so am ignorant about options. What's included in a tow package besides a tranny cooler ? ( air adjustable shocks ?, heavy duty alternator ? )
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It varies a lot between manufacturers, so you should consult a dealer. You might also find some information in your owner's manual. But adequate transmission cooling is probably the most important.
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02-21-2015, 07:44 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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For me, the transmission cooler is absolutely necessary. After market units are relatively inexpensive and definitely cheap compared to a transmission.
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2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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02-21-2015, 08:07 PM
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Member
Name: Pineapple Man
Trailer: Scamp 13'
Ohio
Posts: 97
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Thanks for the helpful info ! Will get in touch with my mechanic on Mon. and schedule a tranny cooler install. We won't be traveling a lot until my wife retires and by then we'll be ready for another vehicle (will get something more beefy w/ a tow package).
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