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01-22-2014, 03:26 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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Classic Scamp Failure
Some days you feel blessed. This was one for us.
We moved from the grass overflow area in our Escapee Park to a paved site today. Ginny tried to level the trailer with the front jack and could not.
Examination showed that the A frame section of the trailer had cracked on one side and broken clear through on the other.
The main trailer frame members are a 3-4" deep box beam. This beam travels from the rear bumper forward to where it is bent to form the bottom of the "A". Structurally this creates a weak point. On our 22 year old trailer there is no reinforcement at this point. In my opinion this is definitely a design failure. Minimally there should be a welded gusset, a triangular piece, and side stiffening.
We are fortunate to notice this because if in the road we were moments from the trailer body separating from the "A". A failure like this could be a disaster with no guarantee that the trailer brakes would activate with the "A" section and the brake actuator still attached to the tow vehicle.
We had just returned to our 'home' Escapee park where we are about to reach the top of the purchase list for a site in the park. We could just of well had been on backroad NM, having just left the Chirachua Mountains.
As a side note, before we left NM I had painted a portion of the A frame and was crawling under the trailer and obviously did not any cracks or damage.
Feeling blessed today.
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Norm and Ginny
2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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01-22-2014, 03:37 PM
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Senior Member
Name: deryk
Trailer: 2012 Parkliner 2010 V6 Nissan Frontier 4x4
New Jersey
Posts: 2,085
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WOW! Yeah that was luck, usually people find out at the worst opportune time. Sorry for the expense of it all, but cheaper to repair then if you were towing it and it happened.
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deryk
All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost.... J.R.R. Tolkien
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01-22-2014, 03:53 PM
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Commercial Member
Name: Ian
Trailer: 1974 Boler 1300 - 2014 Escape 19'
Alberta
Posts: 1,380
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So glad you two are OK and you were not "not on the road" when this happened. After examining the frame on my own Boler soon after I bought it several years ago I was shocked at the design, thin materials, and workmanship ... the reason I redesigned and fabricated a new frame.
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01-22-2014, 04:48 PM
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Moderator
Name: RogerDat
Trailer: 2010 Scamp 16
Michigan
Posts: 3,744
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Glad you found the problem at a more opportune time than on the road in the middle of nowhere, hope you can get it repaired quickly and at a fair price.
If you have a chance picture might be useful to others on what area to look at.
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01-22-2014, 05:41 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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I will post pictures in the morning.
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Norm and Ginny
2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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01-22-2014, 05:47 PM
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Senior Member
Name: jim
Trailer: 2022 Escape19 pulled by 2014 Dodge Ram Hemi Sport
Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,710
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Norm,
IMHO you have got your money's worth from that 22 year old unit, why not get a newer one, just think of all the mod's you can repeat! I would not temp fate with a weld job, there may be other fatigue points about to expose themselves. Next time your angel may not be looking….
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Jim
Never in doubt, often wrong
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01-22-2014, 06:26 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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Jim,
We're actually very happy with our Scamp. As to the weld job, I expect when he's done it will be stronger than new. In a secondary sense, after Scamp, I blame myself because I've always recognized this to be a design error and I should have done something about it.
The other potential fatigue points are the ball receiver and we've had that replaced 2 years ago and probably the axle. After 22 years an axle job is probably to be expected.
Occasionally we have something break, recently the handles on the dump valves. In some measure the Scamp is like your favorite shoes, maybe not new or shiny any more but very comfortable, taking us where we want to go.
We're about to purchase a site in the Escapee park in FL and Ginny and I walked the park looking at park models (don't tell Floyd), thinking we might get one yet still travel extensively in our Scamp. Ginny says lets get an older one saying she doesn't care about style or newness but rather function.
More directly, if the Scamp gets us there, keeps us warm and dry, it seems to be enough. We plan to return to Newfoundland earlier in May this year to again attend the music festival in Norris Point and to go to Fogo Island. I'm sure the Scamp will handle it comfortably.
My concern about buying a new trailer is finding one that actually fits me. Right now my tendency would be to buy something European.
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Norm and Ginny
2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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01-22-2014, 06:33 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2013 Lil Snoozy #161 (SOLD)/2010 Tacoma
NE Oklahoma
Posts: 2,358
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You can blame Ginny for this..........LOL
But on a serious note, glad Ginny discovered this when she did.
Glad everything turns out good considering.
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01-22-2014, 06:43 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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Carl,
As to Ginny, I can see that she is quite proud that her attempts to level the trailer led too the discovery of the problem.
I think things will be OK when we're done and expect to get another decade from the Scamp before the kids take our keys.
Ginny has been wonderful for our 13 years on the road, though she never complains and really loves our travels I'm sure she must time wish she were here or there with old friends or family. I do realize I'm one lucky fellow, if nothing else that she's happy to sleep in our 44" wide bed without a negative murmur ever.
We do love our travels and are always thinking about the next one.
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Norm and Ginny
2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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01-22-2014, 06:44 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 92 16 ft Scamp
Posts: 11,756
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Quote:
Originally Posted by honda03842
S In my opinion this is definitely a design failure. Minimally there should be a welded gusset, a triangular piece, and side stiffening.
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LOL Norm, I was thinking that as your trailer is 22 years old and has gone thousands and thousands of miles more in the just past few years than most peoples trailers will ever go in their lifetime, that it was a testament to how well it was designed not a "designed failure".
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01-22-2014, 07:27 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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Design Failure
Carol,
I think most engineers would look at this bend as a design weakness and a likely failure point. If we had owned this Scamp from day one I expect it would have failed at an earlier date because we do travel a lot of miles and many of them rough miles.
That said, I do recognize that 22 years is a long time. I really like our Scamp and believe it has held up very well. I have no intention of replacing it. Unfortunately this failure has the possibility of ending in a true disaster and is an area that should be addressed, at least carefully monitored.
There are many little things, items not incrementally expensive, that could improve the Scamp 16. Hopefully the competition will force gradual improvement. It is still my favorite North American 16 footer.
I am certainly s Scamp fan.
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Norm and Ginny
2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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01-22-2014, 07:47 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 92 16 ft Scamp
Posts: 11,756
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Quote:
Originally Posted by honda03842
There are many little things, items not incrementally expensive, that could improve the Scamp 16. Hopefully the competition will force gradual improvement. It is still my favorite North American 16 footer.
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I agree Norm there are indeed a few things that could be improved but I suspect that those little things that in themselves are not all the expensive to fix they do add up and its a bit of juggle for the manufactures who are I suspect attempting to offer a reasonably inexpensive small trailer and still make a profit.
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01-22-2014, 08:52 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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This problem kinda surprises me. My trailer is older than yours Norm, and it has welded plates at the bend. Since I'm the third owner, I know it came from the factory that way. I was expecting the extra on the frame to be factory spec for years.. Guess not.
Safe travels, ALWAYS!
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Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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01-23-2014, 01:37 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Darrell
Trailer: Scamp Deluxe 16ft
Alabama
Posts: 321
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I'm sad to hear about the break down of your trailer... glad that it happened in a safe place mainly. Hope you have it fixed soon.
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01-23-2014, 06:45 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Norm and Ginny
Trailer: Scamp 16
Florida
Posts: 7,517
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Donna,
I think those plates are a reasonable addition. If they are now factory installs, it's something the factory should
check when customers visit the factory.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Fiberglass RV mobile app
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Norm and Ginny
2014 Honda Odyssey
1991 Scamp 16
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01-23-2014, 07:45 AM
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Commercial Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Boler13/trillium4500/buro13
Ontario
Posts: 1,138
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My son derrek bought a 99 16 scamp in sept for his rental fleet. The PO had made many modifications including replacing the floor. Because of its size he had not rented it yet as the demand was for the smaller trailers in nov we went to visit him in LA . We took the scamp for its maiden voyage to San Diego it towed great . On the way back we had got about 2miles from his place when we noticed the trailer bounceing real bad and than a lot of sparks. We amediatly pulled off the highway when we looked under the trailer to our dismay the toung had completely separated from the frame it had broken off at that same weak spot it could of been a complete disaster in so many ways but we were lucky nothing happened. There was no way to move the trailer another inch . Fortunately derrek had roadside assistance as they had to flatbed it back to the lot. We put it up on blocks and surveyed the damage in the morning and discovered the PO had made it impossible to remove the frame when he replaced the floor so we would have to repair the frame on the trailer .iIt took three days of welding and drilling in new mending plates. The repair turned out very well and seems as strong as it ever can be . We took the trailer to the joshua tree the following weekend and everything was good you can see the trailer at happier camper .com it's called chief longfoot. My trillium and burro both have welded mending and bolted mending plates And seem very strong. If I was a scamp 16 owner of any age trailer. I would check that weak spot and have it braced before there is a total disaster On one of these trailers
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01-23-2014, 08:35 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 92 16 ft Scamp
Posts: 11,756
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
This problem kinda surprises me. My trailer is older than yours Norm, and it has welded plates at the bend. Since I'm the third owner, I know it came from the factory that way. I was expecting the extra on the frame to be factory spec for years.. Guess not.
Safe travels, ALWAYS!
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Donna do you have a photo of yours? I am wondering if its different than mine which I am pretty sure is factory. When the sun comes up I will take a picture of mine and post it. Curious if yours and Norm's are the same. Would think Norms would be done the same due to the age of ours trailers being the same.
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01-23-2014, 08:55 AM
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Junior Member
Name: Dave
Trailer: Scamp
Texas
Posts: 8
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Scamp 16 Carcked frame
Ours failed a few minutes after leaving a trailer park. Doing about 35 when it happened back in November. Pulled into a gas station real quick to take a look. Both sides cracked (see photo). It was scraping on the stairs so needless to say they are all bent and not usable. Luckily we were not on the highway yet. Note the battery pushing into the front of the Scamp. When the beam was straightened out the fiberglass popped back into place. Hopefully it didn’t cause any permanent damage.
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01-23-2014, 09:02 AM
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Senior Member
Name: jim
Trailer: 2022 Escape19 pulled by 2014 Dodge Ram Hemi Sport
Pennsylvania
Posts: 6,710
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Are these frames box frames, in other words in the above picture one can see the corrosion inside the frame. Perhaps either drip holes are needed or as Donna pointed out, the frame should be air tight if properly welded. Either way the corrosion seems to be inside the frame?
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Jim
Never in doubt, often wrong
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01-23-2014, 09:07 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 92 16 ft Scamp
Posts: 11,756
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Dave what year is your Scamp?
For clarification can you confirm that the beam running from the tongue to the rear was one continual piece and snapped in two? or was it two beams welded together with a L shape plate welded over them?
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