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10-02-2021, 04:07 PM
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#21
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Commercial Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Boler13/trillium4500/buro13
Ontario
Posts: 1,144
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Or your trailer has the capability to recharge your electric vehicle almost perpetually ,stay tuned it’s closer than you think !
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10-02-2021, 04:14 PM
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#22
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2007 19 ft Escape 5.0 / 2002 GMC (1973 Boler project)
Posts: 4,149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmalmsteen
We won't shower in it anyway, so I'm going to need to reconsider that! I was planning on towing with no water tanks filled and no propane and going for full hook up.
Looking for something smaller and lighter seems to make more sense though. I'm at the starting phases of this and appreciate any and all advice!
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Hi: Jmalmsteen... Here's a pic of the owner of CanAm RV leaving with a 6500# Airstream. It was eerily silent.
Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie
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10-02-2021, 04:23 PM
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#23
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Escape 21, behind an '02 F250 7.3 diesel tug
Mid Left Coast
Posts: 3,028
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikmay
Or your trailer has the capability to recharge your electric vehicle almost perpetually ,stay tuned it’s closer than you think !
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only if someone invents MrFusion first.
a 300 W solar system on a trailer MIGHT output 1500 watt*hours per bright sunny day if parked where there's zero shade morning to late afternoon. IIRC, the Tesla Y is around 75,000 watt*hours of battery capacity. So a 50% charge will take nearly a month.
note thats double the solar on my 21 foot Escape, although the Escape has room for 300 watts.
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10-02-2021, 04:25 PM
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#24
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Escape 21, behind an '02 F250 7.3 diesel tug
Mid Left Coast
Posts: 3,028
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Note the majority of trailers, the heating system is propane, so your empty tanks will mean cold nights. anyways, 2 full propane tanks are only about 50-60 lbs, thats small change in the big picture.
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10-02-2021, 05:14 PM
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#25
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 12,302
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darwin Maring
250KM = 155 miles between charges.
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Without knowing the battery’s state of charge on arrival at the campground, it’s hard to say. Could be more.
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10-02-2021, 07:21 PM
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#26
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Commercial Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Boler13/trillium4500/buro13
Ontario
Posts: 1,144
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Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz
only if someone invents MrFusion first.
a 300 W solar system on a trailer MIGHT output 1500 watt*hours per bright sunny day if parked where there's zero shade morning to late afternoon. IIRC, the Tesla Y is around 75,000 watt*hours of battery capacity. So a 50% charge will take nearly a month.
note thats double the solar on my 21 foot Escape, although the Escape has room for 300 watts.
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You would probably be right assuming you are only using the solar on the trailer to just charge the batteries on your E vehicle.
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10-03-2021, 02:04 PM
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#27
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Junior Member
Name: Jen
Trailer: In the market
PENNSYLVANIA
Posts: 6
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A small fiberglass trailer would be fine, if it has some form of a bathroom. If I need to still get up and walk in wet grass in the middle of the night, I don't see the point of having an RV. I don't mind a tent, but my husband wants an RV.
We looked at a Macan and Cayenne yesterday (4400 lbs and 7700 lbs, respectively). We could tow with something that is not a Tesla Model Y until (if) the Cybertruck comes out.
On the Casita site, it says that you need a tow capacity of 5k lbs for the 17' Freedom. I do not understand that since the dry weight is 2480 lbs Any idea why that is?!?
Thank you for all of your information and thoughtful posts!
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10-03-2021, 04:00 PM
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#28
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Commercial Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Boler13/trillium4500/buro13
Ontario
Posts: 1,144
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmalmsteen
A small fiberglass trailer would be fine, if it has some form of a bathroom. If I need to still get up and walk in wet grass in the middle of the night, I don't see the point of having an RV. I don't mind a tent, but my husband wants an RV.
We looked at a Macan and Cayenne yesterday (4400 lbs and 7700 lbs, respectively). We could tow with something that is not a Tesla Model Y until (if) the Cybertruck comes out.
On the Casita site, it says that you need a tow capacity of 5k lbs for the 17' Freedom. I do not understand that since the dry weight is 2480 lbs Any idea why that is?!?
Thank you for all of your information and thoughtful posts! 
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2480 lbs dry plus all your fixtures,cabinetry,filled water tanks, electrionics etc will probably bring you close too 5000 lbs plus everything you plan to stock in it
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10-03-2021, 04:55 PM
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#29
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 12,302
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmalmsteen
A small fiberglass trailer would be fine, if it has some form of a bathroom. If I need to still get up and walk in wet grass in the middle of the night, I don't see the point of having an RV. I don't mind a tent, but my husband wants an RV.
We looked at a Macan and Cayenne yesterday (4400 lbs and 7700 lbs, respectively). We could tow with something that is not a Tesla Model Y until (if) the Cybertruck comes out.
On the Casita site, it says that you need a tow capacity of 5k lbs for the 17' Freedom. I do not understand that since the dry weight is 2480 lbs Any idea why that is?!?
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Main reason is tongue weight. Typical GVW of a loaded 17’ Deluxe runs 3000-3200#, with 400-450# hitch weight. A few people have managed with a 3500/350# tow vehicle, using a WDH and some creative loading to manage the heavy tongue weight. Many 5000/500# AWD tow vehicles still end up using a WDH to even things out for better handling and traction across all four wheels. I believe Casita offers the Anderson as an option.
See the thread “Trailer Weights in the Real World” for more information. Post #401 links to a spreadsheet of the data, which includes a good number of Casita 17’s.
About the bathroom... If you decide to stick with the Tesla, a Scamp 13 is one of the smallest and lightest trailers on the market offering a full wet bath. Typically optioned and loaded it will weigh around 1800-2000#. Scamp offers a “big bed” option, which gives you a full-size (54"x76") bed, same as a Casita 17 Spirit. You give up the second dinette and larger fridge. Unfortunately, the larger bed is not available on 16' Scamps unless you spring for the deluxe wood interior. The standard bed is a tight 45" wide. 16' Casitas (no longer produced) share the same limitation.
BTW, it looks like the Ford F150 Lightning beat the Cybertruck to market, though I have no idea what actual availability is right now. No interest there? Too big? Access to Tesla supercharging stations?
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10-04-2021, 03:42 AM
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#30
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Senior Member
Name: Gigi
Trailer: 1972 Lovebug 1970 Eriba Puck 1991 Mallard Sprinter Class C
Minnesota & Arizona
Posts: 197
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Tesla with Eriba Puck
I was looking at my 1970 Eriba Puck yesterday and it would be a cute package with a Tesla.
One advantage of the Puck is the king bed. This feature over the Lovebug bed size is attractive. The front kitchen is fine. The pop up top allows for more height and air movement. It has everything I need and is super cute and light.
I just sold my 34' Winnebago motorhome. It is so cush and lux. I love it.
I just sold a 24' Coachman travel trailer. Filled with amenities, great for small family.
I have a 1970 Eriba Puck. Very simple, easy.
My Lovebug has been a joy-easy, enough comfort.
What I have learned through this is take the least you need. Stuff gets in the way. Do treat yourself to creature comforts, tho. Really think about what you want from your experience and buy accordingly. Do you want to spend time in your camper? Are you outdoors most of the time? What do you want? What do you need?
I can get out in 20 minutes with Lovebug. I keep the paints, clothes, food staples ready and when I can go, I am out the door.
Right now, I have an F-150 pickup and a 2019 Mini Cooper (possible for Puck ?) to get outfitted as a tow vehicle but am toying with trading in both for a Tesla.
My advice is to just start. Try small. Keep it easy. You can always sell. It is impossible to find the perfect trailer but you can modify.
Have you thought about renting some of these? Good luck! Enjoy the hunt.
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10-07-2021, 03:55 PM
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#31
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Junior Member
Name: Jen
Trailer: In the market
PENNSYLVANIA
Posts: 6
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The reason I am thinking Tesla is the charging network. They were mentioning letting other vehicles use the Tesla supercharging network, but that isn't finalized.
I called Casita, and they think with a weight distribution hitch, that the MY would be able to tow the Casita. I don't want to destroy the Tesla though, so I'm conflicted about actually trying this.
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10-07-2021, 04:18 PM
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#32
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Junior Member
Name: Jen
Trailer: In the market
PENNSYLVANIA
Posts: 6
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I can't find one of those Eriba Pucks anywhere out of the UK.
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10-07-2021, 04:38 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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On a recent long weekend there were a dozen Teslas waiting their turn for one of three working chargers in Hope, B.C.
"Live in Hope, die in despair".
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What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
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10-07-2021, 04:39 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 12,302
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmalmsteen
I can't find one of those Eriba Pucks anywhere out of the UK.
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They show up on www.fiberglass-RV-4sale.com every now and then. They include them in their search algorithm even though they aren’t all-molded.
You can also buy a new Meerkat in San Diego..
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10-08-2021, 04:53 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jack
Trailer: Casita Liberty
Virginia
Posts: 680
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Here is a YouTube on towing with your Tesla. In one episode he had to unhook his Casita & go look for a place to charge his car. It would drive me crazy parked for an hour or more charging my car on a trip.
Do you know you are not damaging your car?
There is a lot to think about when towing. Like can you stop OK? Load weight? etc.
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Been with my sweetheart since 1969
2015 Chevy Colorado & 2019 Casita owner
If I won the award for laziness, I would send somebody to pick it up for me.
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10-08-2021, 04:53 AM
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#36
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Senior Member
Name: Jack
Trailer: Casita Liberty
Virginia
Posts: 680
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Been with my sweetheart since 1969
2015 Chevy Colorado & 2019 Casita owner
If I won the award for laziness, I would send somebody to pick it up for me.
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10-08-2021, 04:57 AM
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#37
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Senior Member
Name: Jack
Trailer: Casita Liberty
Virginia
Posts: 680
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__________________
Been with my sweetheart since 1969
2015 Chevy Colorado & 2019 Casita owner
If I won the award for laziness, I would send somebody to pick it up for me.
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10-08-2021, 08:44 AM
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#38
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Senior Member
Trailer: Oliver
Posts: 724
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darwin Maring
250KM = 155 miles between charges.
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That's like having an 8-10 gallon fuel tank...
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Steve and Tali - Dogs: Rocky and our beloved Reacher, Storm, Maggie and Lucy (waiting at the Rainbow Bridge)
2008 Outlaw Oliver Legacy Elite & 2014 Outlaw Oliver Legacy Elite II
2022 Silverado High Country 3500HD Diesel 4x4
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10-08-2021, 08:59 AM
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#39
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Senior Member
Name: bill
Trailer: 2013 Escape 19
The Mountains of NC/SW Desert of UT
Posts: 4,188
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmalmsteen
The reason I am thinking Tesla is the charging network. They were mentioning letting other vehicles use the Tesla supercharging network, but that isn't finalized.
I called Casita, and they think with a weight distribution hitch, that the MY would be able to tow the Casita. I don't want to destroy the Tesla though, so I'm conflicted about actually trying this.
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Try finding a charge station that would accommodate a car pulling a trailer. All the ones I have seen assume you just have a solo car. They tend to resemble a parking spot in a shopping center (and not pull through, that would help a lot). This would mean dropping the trailer first (have to find a spot to drop it), charging, rehooking, and continuing on your way. Figure you will doing this every 100 to 150 miles. There are a few that have room for a trailer, they seem to be the exception right now.
Over the next five to ten years, I think this will all be worked out, with lightning fast charge stations, higher ranges, and so on. We just aren't there yet. The coming electric F150 is going to create more demand for charging. That will help.
Its all about your type of camping you do. The type I do, 500 to 600 miles a day on travel days, very few to no hookups at night, make it a non-starter. But for someone who takes short local trips, and stays at campsites with hookups, it could be do-able.
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10-08-2021, 09:29 AM
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#40
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 12,302
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Outlaw
That's like having an 8-10 gallon fuel tank...
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But remember, he never said whether the “tank” (ie, battery) was empty when he arrived. He just said that’s how far he went to the campground. Without knowing the battery state of charge when he got there, there’s not enough information to draw any conclusions about towing range.
I agree that range and recharging (access and time) are the greatest challenges with BEV towing. Right now, it’s more an experiment by well-heeled early adopters, subject to a certain degree of confirmation bias. I will watch and wait.
Seems to me our real energy problem is not so much where the energy comes from, but how much of it we use. BEVs do make you more aware of where you’re going, how far, and whether it’s really important. But they do not make it free from direct and indirect costs.
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