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Old 10-17-2021, 10:49 PM   #41
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I suspected I might wrinkle a few noses with my opinion, but that's what makes this a.forum. There's no right or wrong; only opinions.

For the record, I'm 63 years old and I admit I've got a few bicycles in my garage, and therefore a natural.bias. I don't necessarily shy away from new toys and HAVE made a.few.bad choices (like my fat bike, which sounded like a.good idea once upon a time).

But like I said, if you've already done your homework and decided for yourself, get an eBike...power to you. I hope my opinion MAY help others to make an informed decision, either way. I have no stake nor an axe to grind, only an opinion, for which I make no apologies.

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Like your style. Did you build your bike? Where'd you get your parts?
That is a lot of typing. I'll post some of my build threads if anyone has the patience to go through them. All of my builds go through several phases until I feel I can't go any further with a particular bike.

This one is my current ride

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum.../104012-enduro

This next one is my first Ebike.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...lectra-cruiser

This one is my non suspension Fat tire cruiser. This bike went through more motors and phases than anything I have and it is not done yet.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...an-electra-fat

How about a trike or two. My current trike shows up at the bottom of page two.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...kmx-trike-with

Well that is enough for now, there is a long wheelbase recumbent that needs fooling with and a folding Paratrooper that I didn't like and is half apart now. The bike building fever has died down a bit now.
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That is a lot of typing. I'll post some of my build threads if anyone has the patience to go through them. All of my builds go through several phases until I feel I can't go any further with a particular bike.

This one is my current ride

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum.../104012-enduro

This next one is my first Ebike.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...lectra-cruiser

This one is my non suspension Fat tire cruiser. This bike went through more motors and phases than anything I have and it is not done yet.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...an-electra-fat

How about a trike or two. My current trike shows up at the bottom of page two.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...kmx-trike-with

Well that is enough for now, there is a long wheelbase recumbent that needs fooling with and a folding Paratrooper that I didn't like and is half apart now. The bike building fever has died down a bit now.
Thank you. I'll read thru.
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How about a trike or two. My current trike shows up at the bottom of page two.

https://electricbike.com/forum/forum...kmx-trike-with

Well that is enough for now, there is a long wheelbase recumbent that needs fooling with...
Are you on BROL?

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Old 10-18-2021, 08:43 AM   #45
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This is not exactly an eBIKE, but a converted moped.

Trying to get the old 2-cycle engine started and warmed up at 07:00 ever morning in the fall was not a nice experience for my neighbors, so I tossed the worn-out old smoke machine and replaced it with a way-too-big electric motor.

It took a lot of studying and designing before I was daring enough to order parts, but after a ton of work, I got this baby. It's just what I need for tooling around town getting groceries and getting to appointments. (I used it to commute 2 miles to work for my last gig before retiring.)
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Are you on BROL?

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You went over my head on this. What is BROL?
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This is not exactly an eBIKE, but a converted moped.

Trying to get the old 2-cycle engine started and warmed up at 07:00 ever morning in the fall was not a nice experience for my neighbors, so I tossed the worn-out old smoke machine and replaced it with a way-too-big electric motor.

It took a lot of studying and designing before I was daring enough to order parts, but after a ton of work, I got this baby. It's just what I need for tooling around town getting groceries and getting to appointments. (I used it to commute 2 miles to work for my last gig before retiring.)
Oh your here in MA. What are you using for a motor, controller, and battery?

What part of MA and where do you ride?
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I'm in North Cambridge, MA.

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Battery Luna Cycle 72 Volt 17 AH
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- Original Lunacycle controller which didn't work very well. Not configurable.
- Kelly KBL-E controller works GREAT, but is large and difficult to install.
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You went over my head on this. What is BROL?
BentRider Online. There is a Homebuilders section and a Power Assist section.

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I am 65 years old. I have bicycles mainly for exercise. Yes, they are more efficient than walking too which is a plus.

I have no interest in e-bikes. First, they eliminate the exercise, which is my primary reason to have a bike. Second, they are heavy, harder to store and pack. Third, they are prohibited on some multi-use trails, as they are motorized, this varies by state. Now, if I had a medical condition that eliminated a traditional bike, I would certainly consider an e-bike!

In the end, the bicycling I do while camping tends to be short distance, where a conventional pedal bicycle works well for me.

I'm a big fan of my drop bar conversion vintage MTB. 1988 Schwinn Cimarron, for those into that kind of thing. Garage sale find, heavily upgraded. I started wrenching on bicycles in 1964. Still doing it.
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I am 65 years old. I have bicycles mainly for exercise. Yes, they are more efficient than walking too which is a plus.

I have no interest in e-bikes. First, they eliminate the exercise, which is my primary reason to have a bike. Second, they are heavy, harder to store and pack. Third, they are prohibited on some multi-use trails, as they are motorized, this varies by state.

In the end, the bicycling I do while camping tends to be short distance, where a conventional pedal bicycle works well.

I'm a big fan of my drop bar conversion vintage MTB. 1988 Schwinn Cimarron, for those into that kind of thing. Garage sale find, heavily upgraded. I started wrenching on bicycles in 1964. Still doing it.
Well, I'm 69 years old and a 2-time major cancer survivor, (not counting the cancerous growth I had removed last Friday, where they excised a 1 1/2" X 2" chunk of my right cheek.) Obviously I'm not in the greatest of physical health these days. To me an e-bike allows me to get exercise that I otherwise wouldn't get at all without it. I use "pedal power" to a great extent with minimal use of the motor when I can, but due to not being able to walk any distance without my hips killing me, and my limited strength, I find that I can add a little "boost" when I need a little extra oomph when I need it, since biking puts less stress on my hips. "Sitting is the new smoking" is today's buzz phrase. Any little bit I can do to try and stay active is a benefit. My e-bike allows me to get exercise without making it a painful experience.

I won't disagree that, yes, they are heavy, but that is manageable. As far as prohibited trails go, I've yet to find one. I've never been hassled or even questioned anywhere I've been.
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I am 65 years old. I have bicycles mainly for exercise. Yes, they are more efficient than walking too which is a plus.

I have no interest in e-bikes. First, they eliminate the exercise, which is my primary reason to have a bike. Second, they are heavy, harder to store and pack. Third, they are prohibited on some multi-use trails, as they are motorized, this varies by state.

In the end, the bicycling I do while camping tends to be short distance, where a conventional pedal bicycle works well.

I'm a big fan of my drop bar conversion vintage MTB. 1988 Schwinn Cimarron, for those into that kind of thing. Garage sale find, heavily upgraded. I started wrenching on bicycles in 1964. Still doing it.
They only "eliminate the exercise" if you allow them.

If you get one with a throttle you'll be temped to have the motor do all the work, notice I said tempted. Trouble with throttles they are either a Class 2 or 3 bike and technically illegal on more and more trails.

Most ebikes I see are Class 1 bikes, usually with torque-sensing or cadence sensing. If they're Bosch or Shimano they are torque-sensing and no throttle.

Our Tern Vektron S10 uprights are 250 watt Bosch torque-sensing equipped bikes, and our ICE trikes have 750 watt TSDZ2 torque-sensing motors. We have a 17% grade 1 1/2 block ride up to our condo. People are being led astray by thinking they need more than 250 watts to climb a hill. Bosch and Shimano are legal (Class 1) in most of Europe, whereas we have to detune our TSDZ2 if we were to ride in Europe.

It's already been seen that more people bike for exercise when they purchase a ebike. It's amazing the number of ebikes we see on the Root River Trail. I'd estimate 90% of them are getting plenty of exercise from pedaling, however I will admit there are those that you see traveling over 17 mph with their throttle or max power in use.

Ebikes are here to stay, but make a wise choice when purchasing. There is no free lunch.

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Wow! I had no idea there is so much to be considered in choosing an ebike. I do understand the reasons many people like them. I'm also glad to see a few people on this thread mentioned the safety factor for pedestrians on multi-use trails. I feel drawn to cautioning bicyclists of all kinds to drive safely for the safety of others especially pedestrians who tend to be very young with their parents, youngsters walking to/from school or the skate park, older, and/or the disabled.

I am speaking from the perspective of a couple now in their 70's who continue to be active by walking on multi-use trails and have done so for many years now. In our earlier days we would ride our bicycles on the trails. Currently, since my husband has had both hips replaced about 10 years ago, we walk on the same trails. Increasingly, throughout the years, we have seen many more bikes especially ebikes. The difference is, we are seeing many more people bike too fast when pedestrians are present. One of our favorite "shared trails" (Mill Valley/Sausalito, CA) is heavily posted with safe biking reminders as well as pedestrian safety reminders. Among the efforts are mid-line striping, LARGE signs painted on asphalt with safety reminders such as SLOW and SHARE as well as active speed limit signs. There are also many "lollipop" signs that remind users to be safe. I've included a link to a video taken by a bicyclist that gives you the "flavor" of this beautiful trail. It is obviously taken on a day when there are not many pedestrians and is meant to show bicyclists the beauty of the trail. If you look carefully, most pedestrians and runners have chosen to go on the unpaved sides of the trail. Many peds also choose, and are allowed to, go on the paved portions. Basically, as pedestrians, we have felt increasingly at risk of collision. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE bike safely, no matter what the laws say!!
Read this "Insider's Tip" from the web page. Insiders Tip: The City of Mill Valley enforces 15 mph (24 kph) bike speed limits on the sections where there is a lot of pedestrian traffic, especially where school crosswalks that are heavily traveled by young kids cross the path. There are some places near the crosswalks where it’s hard to see if kids are present, and there have been multiple accidents where children were hit and injured, one critically — that’s why the speed limits in the area are enforced.
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15 mph (24 kph) bike speed limit is too fast, especially the way bikes sneak up silently on pedestrians, who may leap out of the way, to left or to right.
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Thank you for your reply. There are "high use" sections that post 10mph. On the trail's website this is posted:
"Understanding Use and Measuring Success A speed survey was conducted in May, 2016. Speed surveys will continue on an ongoing basis to help measure the speed compliance success over time. Using data from a visitor counter installed previously and the speed surveys have provided a wealth of information about the number of people using the path and speed trends. For the time period surveyed, the daily average use of the path was 2,718 people and the average speed in the 10mph zone was about 12mph."
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In spite of all the "traffic-slowing" measures there continue to be collisions. See this article "Cyclist Collides with 89 Year Old Pedestrian: https://www.marinij.com/2015/05/06/c...l-valley-path/

I'd like to add that there is a senior-living residence along this path. Many residents are able-bodied and walk and bike along this trail.
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"Where I come from", the pedestrian has the right of way. That being said, the pedestrian should try to be a good citizen as well. No "regulation" will be required if we'll follow this.
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I so agree!
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15 mph (24 kph) bike speed limit is too fast, especially the way bikes sneak up silently on pedestrians, who may leap out of the way, to left or to right.
Everything cuts both ways Glen. Pedestrians tend walk abreast and take up the whole path while walking. Joggers for some reason run down the middle of the path and wear ear buds so they never hear " on your left" .

Skaters take up 3/4th's of the path with their natural gait. I did come across one though who wore a bike helmet with a mirror so she could watch traffic to the rear. I commented on it and thanked her. I always thank people who step aside for me.

Less than 1/4 of bikers employ mirrors so they are just as bad for not paying attention. The serious bikers, you know the spandex crowd are especially bad. They go very fast, are impatient and discourteous.

Then you have the dog walkers. They usually have the leashes that reel out so they are on one side and the dog on the other and the leash like a fence down the middle. They also insist on letting the dog loose and if you remind of the leash law they go nuts. Then you have the ones that don't pick up after their dog so you have to watch out for the bombs. There is nothing worse than running over one of those and splattering the bike and yourself.

Everyone needs to be polite and pay attention to what is going on around them and give people the right of way. Last I have found that the larger the group the worse their behavior is.
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While I agree that all profiles of trail users are guilty of poor behavior, myself included, we need to all be mindful of the well-being of one another.

As to what pedestrians can do...I've often thought it would be helpful for all of us, when pedestrians on sidewalks, streets or paths, to wear brightly colored clothing such as safety vests. We've seen that bicyclists, when wearing such gear, are MUCH MORE VISIBLE making it easier for all around them to be aware of their presence and to accommodate them accordingly. I keep such vests in my car (cost $5 each from O'Reilly Auto Supplies) but fail to remember to wear them. Thank you for this conversation. It has heightened my awareness to be proactive in my safety and in the safety of others. I say this as I sit in my home while a rain storm rages outside my drought-stricken California home. HALLELUJA!
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