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Old 12-20-2017, 12:31 PM   #101
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I have located an ideal RV. It looks durable enough for off-road travel. I haven't seen how good the inside cabinets are, but I suspect they will hold up pretty well. Now, to get one ordered with a wet bath....

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Very durable, but requires occasional painting. No need for a WDH with that track setup, but towing it would be interesting.
Interesting too, I've never seen any other trailer with a large gun mounted from the factory. Imagine a Scamp with a gun on top!
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Old 12-20-2017, 12:36 PM   #102
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So you guys worship Eris, the goddess of discord, right?
"The goddess of discord" Never heard of her! But she may be a new friend! Yep, learn something every day. Love it.

Eris (/ˈɪərɪs, ˈɛrɪs/; Greek: Ἔρις, "Strife") is the Greek goddess of strife and discord. Her name is the equivalent of Latin Discordia, which means "discord". Eris' Greek opposite is Harmonia, whose Latin counterpart is Concordia. Homer equated her with the war-goddess Enyo, whose Roman counterpart is Bellona.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:31 AM   #103
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"The goddess of discord" Never heard of her! But she may be a new friend! Yep, learn something every day. Love it.

Eris (/ˈɪərɪs, ˈɛrɪs/; Greek: Ἔρις, "Strife") is the Greek goddess of strife and discord. Her name is the equivalent of Latin Discordia, which means "discord". Eris' Greek opposite is Harmonia, whose Latin counterpart is Concordia. Homer equated her with the war-goddess Enyo, whose Roman counterpart is Bellona.

Has this turned into a religious discussion?
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:47 AM   #104
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I love the idea of aluminum (non-rusting, non-rotting) construction. A hailstorm would be tough on it though... and that rear end is completely non-aerodynamic, which is just as important on drag as the front end.

Just so you guys know, aluminum does corrode. Click over to an Airstream forum and read all of the complaining about that.
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:22 PM   #105
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Just so you guys know, aluminum does corrode. Click over to an Airstream forum and read all of the complaining about that.
Not all aluminum alloys are (were) created equal. Some do basically rot away, while others last and last. Any airplane buff will tell you the reason that there are practically no WWII Japanese Zero fighter planes in museums is that they all fell apart eventually. There is one in Pensacola at the Naval Aviation Museum, if I remember correctly. That is a museum worth seeing.
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:49 PM   #106
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Not all aluminum alloys are (were) created equal. Some do basically rot away, while others last and last. Any airplane buff will tell you the reason that there are practically no WWII Japanese Zero fighter planes in museums is that they all fell apart eventually. There is one in Pensacola at the Naval Aviation Museum, if I remember correctly. That is a museum worth seeing.
So if I am understanding you correctly Japan did not use the Military Grade Aluminum that Ford uses in its F150 pick-ups in their aircraft.
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:11 PM   #107
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So if I am understanding you correctly Japan did not use the Military Grade Aluminum that Ford uses in its F150 pick-ups in their aircraft.
Correct!
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Correct!
So Ford was #1 in the 1940's and helped win the War and is still #1 over 75 years later . Quite an accomplishment.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:14 PM   #110
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Another reason there are so very few Japinese WWII Aircraft is that when I was a child a neighbor that was in the war told me stories of them Blowing Up the aircraft after the war.
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I grew up with a bias against Ford and there are still things about them that annoy me, but you can’t argue with their success, including not needing the bail-out.

And there’s something about the 80s and 90s F150 regular cab that feels like.. a truck. Like the defining ranch, farm, western truck. We had one at my job a couple summers ago and I loved driving it. Didn’t like having to fix it though...

The summer I worked my first forest service job, we had a 4x4 long bed six pack 5 speed F350 Ford pickup. A total beast.
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The reason more Ford 150s are sold is because the GM brand of pickups are Chevy and GMC. Is it possible that Chevy and GMC added up together would equal or surpass the Ford total?
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I grew up with a bias against Ford and there are still things about them that annoy me, but you can’t argue with their success, including not needing the bail-out.
I was told that part of the reason that Ford did not “need” a bail-out was Ford did not want to open up its books to inspectors, which was required to obtain bail-out funding.
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I was told that part of the reason that Ford did not “need” a bail-out was Ford did not want to open up its books to inspectors, which was required to obtain bail-out funding.
Well that, and the fact they had the operating capital and sales to not need it.
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The reason more Ford 150s are sold is because the GM brand of pickups are Chevy and GMC. Is it possible that Chevy and GMC added up together would equal or surpass the Ford total?
Sometimes the combined sales of Sierra and Silverado pickups combined do exceed those of the F150 for a given month, that's true. But have you noticed the incentives required to accomplish that? Last month the dealers in this area were offering as much as 15K off MSRP for the Silverado or Sierra. Try finding such an incentive on an F150. It doesn't exist, because they can sell them at almost full retail.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:29 AM   #116
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I was told that part of the reason that Ford did not “need” a bail-out was Ford did not want to open up its books to inspectors, which was required to obtain bail-out funding.
The reason they didn't take the bailout had nothing to do with this. Just prior to the crash, Ford secured a whole lot of financing in the form of asset secured lines of credit. When the crash came, they had access to all the capital they needed to weather the crisis without having to go to the government. GM and Chrysler on the other had had no available credit arranged before the crash so when credit dried up, they were stuck. I remember this because I bought Ford's stock at the time specifically because their financials were in such good shape to come out of the crisis. I also remember a lot of financial wonks taking Ford to task for "debt-loading" when they did. The other reason Ford didn't take the bailout was it would have destroyed their stock like it did for GM.
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Good Question Neto. Here is a Year-To-Date snap shot of sales for September 2016. Ford outsold GM (combined Chevy and GMC) by 5,660 full size trucks by Sep. 2016. FWIW, I've owned Chevy and Greater Made Chevrolets and wouldn't trade my F-150 for any two of them. Tom
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This thread is going to such nice, varied places...

I should look up the change in Tundra sales over the years. That snapshot shows they're still way, way behind domestic truck sales. Not sure about the rest of the country, but they're pretty popular around here. Finally starting to see Toyotas as work trucks for contractors, and instead of Tacomas, it seems like the typical younger guy who can finally afford a brand new truck is now buying a Tundra.
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The reason more Ford 150s are sold is because the GM brand of pickups are Chevy and GMC. Is it possible that Chevy and GMC added up together would equal or surpass the Ford total?
But wait a minute, if GMC is "Professional Grade", what does that make Chevy?
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This thread is going to such nice, varied places...

I should look up the change in Tundra sales over the years. That snapshot shows they're still way, way behind domestic truck sales. Not sure about the rest of the country, but they're pretty popular around here. Finally starting to see Toyotas as work trucks for contractors, and instead of Tacomas, it seems like the typical younger guy who can finally afford a brand new truck is now buying a Tundra.
It's must be regional . I see hundreds of trucks in rural Wisconsin every week , if one out of a 100 is a toyota that would be unusually high.
Statistics can be used to skew reality . If you only sell one truck in a state and that number increases to 2 then statistically you sales are up 100% . If you sell thousands,of trucks in a state then a sales increase of 1 truck is meaningless / insignificant .
I've paid cash for every new vehicle , I have purchased since 1971.
I bought a new Ram 1500 in 2011 and 2014 and both were paid for with cash. Having said that, I still cannot afford a Tundra , my budget just won't stretch that far.
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