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Old 12-22-2017, 12:03 PM   #121
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But wait a minute, if GMC is "Professional Grade", what does that make Chevy?
Proficient Grade?
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:09 PM   #122
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Yes there have always been more Toyotas in the west. Partly the type of consumer, partly that the ones that were in the midwest all rusted out, first because of a crappy bed design, then because of a mistake made on frames.

I'm just talking straight numbers, from Tom's post. I definitely agree with "there are lies, darned lies (using the softer term), and statistics".

Anecdotally there are a lot of Tundras here. Actual numbers compared to domestic I don't know. I assume the number in this region is higher than in others.

The cost for a Toyota truck these days is ridiculous.
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But wait a minute, if GMC is "Professional Grade", what does that make Chevy?

It makes it "The Heartbeat Of America"
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:02 PM   #124
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I was always a die hard GM fan. I bought a new GMC in '98. The quality was terrible. I bought 4 Ford trucks and the built quality is excellent. My F-250 diesel is built like a tank and gets 16 - 18 mpg towing my trailer with two quads on the deck. I put 300,000 kilometers on my first Ranger before I sold it. My second Ranger has over 400,000k and is still going strong. I bought my third Ranger in 2011 before they went of production. They all got 40 mpg on the highway, 30 mpg in town. And they were all cheaper than a comparable GM.
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Are you actually talking miles per gallon? 40mpg is pretty impressive for a Ranger.
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Old 12-22-2017, 02:16 PM   #126
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They all got 40 mpg on the highway, 30 mpg in town. And they were all cheaper than a comparable GM.
I admire your enthusiasm for Ford trucks, and I share it. I had an '02 Ranger 4.0L 4x4 that was a great little truck.

Having said that, there's no way - no way - that any of those trucks got 40 mpg. With the Ranger you'd have been lucky to get half of that. My F150 with a 2.7L EcoBoost V6 and 2WD gets maybe 26 highway, and it's far more efficient than my Ranger ever was.

Let's stick to reality. Perhaps you meant kilometers per gallon?
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He's in Canada isn't he? If so you need to multiply his reading by .833 to change them to ours. 40 mpg Canadian is 33.3 mpg U.S.A.
Which is still high, he must go downhill everywhere.
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Old 12-22-2017, 03:33 PM   #128
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Actually, in Canada, we use liters per 100 km. This ratio is reversed to miles per gallon. This means that a smaller number is better.
I drive a Ranger, and I would love to get that kind of fuel economy.
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Old 12-22-2017, 03:46 PM   #129
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He's in Canada isn't he? If so you need to multiply his reading by .833 to change them to ours. 40 mpg Canadian is 33.3 mpg U.S.A.
Which is still high, he must go downhill everywhere.
Am I to understand that a Canadian Gallon is different from Yankee (USA) gallon?.
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Canada uses the imperial gallon, which I believe was 5 US quarts/gallon.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:27 PM   #131
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Canada uses the imperial gallon, which I believe was 5 US quarts/gallon.
Then They are not the same.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:29 PM   #132
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Canada uses the imperial gallon, which I believe was 5 US quarts/gallon.
Canada doesn't use any **%@^% gallon. You can't buy gas by the imperial gallon or US gallon. Fuel is sold by the litre ( or liter if you are American ). Some people refuse to accept metric.
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Metric, shmetric.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:45 PM   #134
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Canada doesn't use any **%@^% gallon. You can't buy gas by the imperial gallon or US gallon. Fuel is sold by the litre ( or liter if you are American ). Some people refuse to accept metric.
The poster who said they get 40 mpg lives in Alberta.
Isn't that still part of Canada?
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Canada has not used the imperial gallon since converting to the metric system which I believe was in the 1970s. That means it has been almost 50 years. Imagine that, our northern neighbors are almost a half century ahead of us in accepting what will eventually be the worldwide standard.
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Canada doesn't use any **%@^% gallon. You can't buy gas by the imperial gallon or US gallon. Fuel is sold by the litre ( or liter if you are American ). Some people refuse to accept metric.
How does that compare to those who refuse to accept the English language? Dieu sauve la reine?

Would the Babel Fish prove that He couldn't, even while still solving the language problem?
On second thought, wouldn't it also convert the measurements?
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The poster who said they get 40 mpg lives in Alberta.
Isn't that still part of Canada?
Yes, it's part of Canada and the OP does NOT buy gas by the gallon. He buys it by the litre. Maybe it makes him feel good to say he gets 40 mpg. <_<
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So how did they arrive at litres per 100km?
Why not just Km per litre?
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So how did they arrive at litres per 100km?
Why not just Km per litre?
Like everything metric, that's easy to do.
If you use 15 litres / 100 km towing, just divide 100 kilometers by 15 to arrive at 6.666666667 kilometers per litre.
Hope that helps.
Litres / 100 km makes comparison easier as in, I use 15/100 towing and 10/100 not towing.
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Our northern neighbors are almost a half century ahead of us in accepting what will eventually be the worldwide standard.
That's what they said 50 years ago.

They both have their strengths. For example, our non-metric system allows you to divide sizes and lengths, because they're broken down into halves, quarters, eighths, 16th, 32nds, etc, which is quite handy. A metric ruler on the other hand, is in units of 10. You simply can't divide it without getting fractions.
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