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Old 12-23-2017, 12:44 AM   #161
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Nope, I mean mpg. My '88 was a 2.0 liter. My '96 is a 2.3 liter as is my 2011. I only have 5000 km on my 2011. In July I drove it from Calgary, through the mountains to the Shueswap Lake in BC. I hand calculated the fuel mileage. It worked out to 41 miles per Imperial gallon (4.55 liters).
I still have the build sheet for my 2011. It states 30 mpg city and 40 mpg highway. This was my first highway trip since new and I wanted to see if the numbers quoted were accurate. I allowed about 3500 km for break-in before testing the numbers and they were accurate.
I've made the trip a number of times in my '96 and have consistently gotten 40 mpg.
I fill till shut off at Costco. I write the odometer reading on the receipt. I convert the liters to imperial gallons and the kilometers to miles. Then I calculate mpg. I do this every time I fuel.
I've never calculated based on an American (3.7 liter) gallon but I suspect this may be the discrepancy.
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I fill till shut off at Costco. I write the odometer reading on the receipt. I convert the liters to imperial gallons and the kilometers to miles. Then I calculate mpg. I do this every time I fuel.
No idea why you continue to sow confusion when it comes to fuel consumption. Or why you persist in converting for no reason.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:37 AM   #163
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My '96 is a 2.3 liter as is my 2011. still have the build sheet for my 2011. It states 30 mpg city and 40 mpg highway.
I'm a dog with a bone so bear with me. That's significantly different than the US EPA estimate for highway mileage of the same vehicle. 40 Imperial MPG equates to roughly 33 US MPG. The EPA estimate for the 2.3L 4-cyl is 27 for the manual, 23 for the automatic. So that would mean you're getting more than 25% better mileage (6 to 10 more US MPG) somewhere.Click image for larger version

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Maybe using Roman numerals would work.
XXXX miles per Imperial gallon?
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Old 12-23-2017, 05:41 AM   #165
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If pennies bother you to a point of “hate,” then my advice would be don’t cross the border, stay in Canada. I don’t like the much higher gas prices in Canada, but it doesn’t stop me from going to Canada to visit friends and take in the natural beauty. I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that Canada discontinued pennies because they were more expensive to mint than they were worth, not for the convenience of Canadians who didn’t want to have a heavy, jingling pocket. I personally don’t mind pocket change because I have containers both at home it all goes in both at home and in the trailer. Every so often I take it to the bank and drop it all in the coin counter, and it usually adds up to a tidy sum, like an “unexpected windfall.” I can find more serious things to annoy me than pennies, nickels, and dimes.
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Old 12-23-2017, 08:28 AM   #166
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In the USA we won't be getting rid of the pennies or nickels and dimes until we get rid of the odd amounts on our sales taxes.
Our tax rates are also odd 11% hst we simply round off to the nearest nickel works very well .
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Carl, I don't think anyone was hating on the penny, I certainly wasn't. Though like pretty much every Canadian, I sure am glad it is out of circulation. It is true that a large part of the reason for eliminating it is that it did cost more to mint than it was worth, not good economics at all. There are not too many things out there that cost less than a nickel now.

The thing about rounding cash transactions to the nearest nickel is that in time the odds have it averaging out, so nothing really is lost. This is why I am all for just rounding to the nearest dime, as there will be less small change in the pocket, and what I spend will not change.

One has to remember that we don't have $1 or $2 dollar bills, just coins, so already have some more change. Other that the weight of them, I much prefer the coin to the bill now.

What I do to minimize coinage, is to use a wallet with a change pocket in it, and whenever I buy something, I always use coins when possible. This way I always have less than $5 change, and don't have to deal with a pile at home.

BTW, I still have a Texas mickey full of pennies. I really should just cash them in, or do something funky with them like a bathroom floor as all they really are is dead weight.
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Old 12-23-2017, 08:31 AM   #168
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The ha' penny has been gone for quite a while now. I wonder if that caused a kerfuffle when eliminated.
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Old 12-23-2017, 09:13 AM   #169
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Many here in Canada were aposed to eleminating the penny but I bet you will find few and far between who miss it now. And yes I will continue to travel to the US penny or no penny ,liters or gallons, green money or funny colered money as the US is still the second best country in the world.
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Old 12-23-2017, 10:06 AM   #170
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The ha' penny has been gone for quite a while now. I wonder if that caused a kerfuffle when eliminated.
I still have some "Mills" right here at my desk, AKA a "red cent" worth 1/10th of a penny originally. (now collectible)
They were originally minted for the purpose of paying sales tax only.
When I was a small boy, local grocers would let you buy candy with them though. They were actually tokens issued buy the state of Missouri.
Made of red or green plastic or in paper in 1&5 mill denominations, they were made because rounding to a whole penny would have been too onerous of a tax burden.
Inflation, has always been the easiest tax to impose and thus the biggest over time.
Here are the large paper versions...
The smaller plastic ones came in Red (one mill) and Green (five mill) coins.
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Many here in Canada were aposed to eleminating the penny but I bet you will find few and far between who miss it now. And yes I will continue to travel to the US penny or no penny ,liters or gallons, green money or funny colered money as the US is still the second best country in the world.
I apparently do not have as high a regard for Mexico as you do!
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I apparently do not have as high a regard for Mexico as you do!
Where a Peso is not quite worth twenty pennies! Bet they still appreciate them.
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Old 12-23-2017, 10:39 AM   #173
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Carl, I don't think anyone was hating on the penny, I certainly wasn't.
I know that Jim. And I understand the concept of things evening out. Actually, I carry very little cash nowadays. I typically use my debit card except for small purchases, because I don’t want to have a zillion tiny entries in the check register. When in Canada, I typically use a Travel Rewards Credit Card so my darling bank doesn’t slap me with an international transaction fee. None of the credit card transaction are entered in the check register since they don’t come directly out of the checking account. I have no affinity for the penny, and wouldn’t care if it were taken out of circulation. I think what all this comes down to is what one becomes accustomed to. Most people do not feel fully comfortable with “different.” That is why the USA remains on the English system of measurement. I’m sure there was resistance to the metric system when the change was made in Canada, but Canadians had it “rammed down their throats.” Now that it has been in place for so long the citizenry is comfortable with it. I for one do not like the loonie or the twonie. That is probably because many people in the states dislike dollar coins, primarily because they are similar in size to the US quarter dollar, and easily confused (by feel) for one another.
Unfortunately, when in Rome.....
Without loonies, I cannot use vending machines, campground washing machines/dryers, or showers when they require coinage. I dislike having to pay a fee to convert US dollars to Canadian dollars, especially at the border because it is a true rip-off (for all of us). Just have to accept that is a part of travel to Canada. Preferences can change, but any “adjustment period” is not always easy.
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Old 12-23-2017, 10:49 AM   #174
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My grandfather owned a bar in a small Minnesota town.
(The Corner Bar) The town in which the bar was located was in two different counties and the dividing line was down the middle of main street. One county was wet and one county was dry.
At the same time Minnesota elected a minister as governor and he started an anti gambling crusade .
My Grandfather's bar had its' own wooden money -- Corner Bar Nickels and Corner Bar Quarters.
Corner Bar money was only good in the bar . You could use it to buy beer , pop , candy bars , ice cream cones , playing pool and to buy lunch and you could swap it for real money . When I was a kid I bought many ice cream cones and candy with Corner Bar Nickels
The real reason for the wooden money was to get and keep the local authorities off their butt
The local's would play poker in the bar section near the front and the sheriff wanted to stop the boys from gambling .
Since the poker games were played with wooden bar money they were not legally gambling .
I wish I still had my Corner Bar Money , a Corner Bar Nickels is now worth $10 as a collectors item.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:29 PM   #175
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Glenn, it's a feed back mechanism I use to indicate how my vehicle is working and how I'm driving it. I can get 20 mpg with my Corvette but I seldom do LOL!
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:37 PM   #176
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Canada didn't really eliminate the one cent piece, they just stopped minting them. They are still in circulation and can be used. Electronic banking still calculates them.
A penny is actually the British term. A cent (1/100 of a dollar) is actually the Canadian term. A penny is actually two cents.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:41 PM   #177
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I've been going down hill for years, LOL!
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:42 PM   #178
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I should dig out the Build Sheet for my Ranger.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:44 PM   #179
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It's 4.55 liters.
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Old 12-23-2017, 02:08 PM   #180
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Glenn, Canada did (officially, but few people actually did) switch to the metric system back in the '70s but that didn't make things simpler. Vehicles were not very fuel efficient and swilled great volumes of the stuff but nobody really cared at 30 odd cents per imperial gallon. Horsepower was king.
Then fuel prices went up due to the price of oil going up and of course the TAX MAN. Now everyone started getting concerned about fuel cost and Dealerships shied away from the poor mpg ratings.
Now add the metric system and not the simple format of kilometers per liter but liters per hundred kilometers. We were all using mpg. L/100km had to be calculated. Yes, the pumps displayed volume in liters but our odometers still displayed miles. Calculators were available but not really common. And even if you got the numbers right it didn't mean much to folks who were use to mpg and didn't speak the metric language.
The US was still using mpg but on a smaller gallon. The larger Canadian gallon made our numbers look better, a bit of a fool's paradise, although for most drivers the cost of fuel has been a hemorrhage for quite some time now.
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