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Old 10-30-2018, 08:11 PM   #1
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Insulation Boler vs. Trillion vs. Scamp etc.

I'm currently looking into getting my first trailer. I will mostly use it for winter camping, but don't need anything fancy or big as I would just stay out for two or three nights most of them time. I tried to find out which of the 13 or max. 17 footers has the best insulation. I have heard the Scamp supposed to be the best, but they are rare to find here in Canada. As much as I could find on the internet, the Trilliums have a better insulation than the Bolers, Surf Sides etc. Can anyone comment on that? Any information will be much appreciated.

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In Canada and available? Bigfoot hands down. Just be aware, not all Bigfoot of all years are four-season trailers.
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The Oliver Elite 17 has double wall construction and is fully insulated. The tanks are also mounted between the inner and outer shells for freeze protection. These might be worth a look.
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:42 PM   #4
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None of the single wall trailers you mentioned have any significant insulation advantage. Scamp reports a high insulation value on their website but its bogus. Pretty much all of them are single wall trailers, with a very thin insulating liner on the inside to prevent condensation.

As far as Bigfoot, only some of their trailers are four seasons.

In addition, all of the trailers you mentioned have single pane windows, which lose heat rapidly.

An Escape 17 can be ordered with thermopane windows and an insulation package. Thats better, but IMHO, not a match for the four season trailers out there (Oliver and Bigfoot).



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Old 10-31-2018, 10:12 AM   #5
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OP mentions "in Canada" - but indicates 'California' ? Could be a big difference in the concern for 'insulation' ? When and when, will the 'winter camping' occur ? We've had much experience 'winter camping' on the north shore of Lake Superior with truck slide-ins and pull-trailers; but with no use of 'on-board' water.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:23 AM   #6
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Thanks bullfrogeh for pointing that out. I tried to change the state/province to Alberta, but it somehow always seems to default to California. Will try tonight on my PC again and if it doesn't work I will contact one of the admins.

As for where and when, I'm planning on using the trailer mainly from late November to April here in the Canadian Rockies. It doesn't need to be at +25°C all the time as even +5°C is warm compared to -25°C in my tent ;-) I also wasn't planning on having any water in the systems, might even remove the plumbing all together. Just a big water jug or melting snow did the job so far and will do it in the future as well.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:42 AM   #7
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For a modest-size 4-season camper, all the self-enclosed egg ones can be upgraded with custom windows and floor insulation. There are specialty firms that can do this and upgrade the inadequate frame to boondocking capability at the same time. If you want a referral, just let me know.

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Old 10-31-2018, 10:55 AM   #8
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I don't want to spend too much money on it and first see what I would need/like to have and then do most of the work myself. However, it would be nice to have such a contact just in case.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:32 AM   #9
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The original 3 season 17' Bigfoot has 1" of Styrofoam in the floor, walls, and ceiling. It's not up to modern standards, but tops anything made between 1978 and 2004.
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For a modest-size 4-season camper, all the self-enclosed egg ones can be upgraded with custom windows and floor insulation. There are specialty firms that can do this and upgrade the inadequate frame to boondocking capability at the same time. If you want a referral, just let me know.

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I don't want to spend too much money on it and first see what I would need/like to have and then do most of the work myself.

I live in my 17-ft Bigfoot year-round. It's not a 4-season trailer by any means, but it's one of the older ones, so there's a decent amount of insulation. I wanted more, though, even though I live in a pretty temperate climate.

What I came up with may sound nuts, but I'm experimenting this year with those inexpensive foam egg-crate mattress toppers. I've cut each to fit snugly into the back, top, & (sometimes) sides of all my cupboards, cubbies, & the closet. I cut the foam a bit oversize, so it holds itself in place. You'll lose a bit of space, but the up side is that it helps keep your life clutter-free.

I can't access all the areas that could use some extra insulation, but this has already made a noticeable difference. And, it's cheap! I'll let you know how it works out -- or not.
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Me too, please share with all
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:48 AM   #13
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Thanks everyone for the answers and information. If anyone has some other ideas, it would be appreciated to come forward with them. I like Eva's idea with starting inside the cabinets, so please let us know how it works long term. There seems to be quite a bit of interest on that topic.
I also wonder if anyone ever put spray foam directly onto the factory ensolite interior as ripping the ensolite out seems to be a major pain
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Old 11-01-2018, 06:49 AM   #14
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Sorry Evelyn, the spell check turned Ev into Eva.
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Old 11-01-2018, 10:37 AM   #15
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Scamp has good wall insulation, but if you want comfort in cold weather you must make good window covers, insulate inside the benches and get a good insulated floor covering. Get a good furnace and always take enough fuel to run for the entire stay, along with enough battery and a way to charge it.
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Old 11-01-2018, 05:21 PM   #16
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I live in my 17-ft Bigfoot year-round. It's not a 4-season trailer by any means, but it's one of the older ones, so there's a decent amount of insulation. I wanted more, though, even though I live in a pretty temperate climate.

What I came up with may sound nuts, but I'm experimenting this year with those inexpensive foam egg-crate mattress toppers. I've cut each to fit snugly into the back, top, & (sometimes) sides of all my cupboards, cubbies, & the closet. I cut the foam a bit oversize, so it holds itself in place. You'll lose a bit of space, but the up side is that it helps keep your life clutter-free. tu

I can't access all the areas that could use some extra insulation, but this has already made a noticeable difference. And, it's cheap! I'll let you know how it works out -- or not.
I did something similar with my cupboards using reflectix. It helps to keep the cupboards cooler inside when the sun is hitting the shell but it does nothing to keep my camper warm nor was that my intention.
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I did something similar with my cupboards using reflectix. It helps to keep the cupboards cooler inside when the sun is hitting the shell but it does nothing to keep my camper warm nor was that my intention.
Window covers are the single most effective thing to do.
My cupboards are already lined with the wall covering, but the inside of the benches are not lined at the floor and are not heated inside so insulating them helps... like covering the floor.
We use reflectix for window covers...without it the single pane windows just cascade cold air.


None of this matters much above 20°F with a good heater, but the window covers would still add a level of comfort and save on fuel.


That brings up the idea of venting the benches to warm under them, I have a door under the starboard bench for a different purpose but I could leave that open.

The only time I sleep in cold weather is first leg of the trip to Florida for ScampCamp and maybe the last on the way home.
I prefer to use the climate control which comes standard under the frame of my trailer.



Of course, if you have shorepower its like sleeping in a toaster, or if you have the "bread" for a good generator.
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Old 11-07-2018, 05:44 AM   #18
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Hi Condensation is a big issue in any of the fiberglass trailers when used in the colder weather if you keep all the vents closed. Put the kettle on the stove and you have an instant sauna room. The ensolite is minimal insulation at best, more suited for a cool night with little or no frost. I have used my Trillium in the past for deer hunting in the Fall,that's how I found out !
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Old 11-07-2018, 06:29 AM   #19
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The frames of nearly all egg campers are not strong enough for boondocking. They flex enough even under modest loads to pop rivets and cause other structural damage. Chris Moore of Texas Customs has made competition truck chassis for 12 years out of standard I beam construction.
Tel: 979-324-5387
cmooregalaxy@gmail.com

He can upgrade any egg camper chassis to withstand the constant stress of boondocking operations along with axle, bearings, brakes, windows etc.
Here is an example of his work:
https://youtu.be/zkfaMf4JCUg
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Thanks bullfrogeh for pointing that out. I tried to change the state/province to Alberta, but it somehow always seems to default to California. Will try tonight on my PC again and if it doesn't work I will contact one of the admins.
Go into "User CP" and under "Edit Your Details" change the "State/Province" to "Alberta" then click "Save Changes" at the bottom of the page. Should work fine.

I just changed mine no problem, then changed it back.
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