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Old 08-16-2020, 02:30 PM   #221
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The website is not very good yet. I think Shaun has been too busy building units. There is a price list available. Regarding the 50 screwed people, I don't think they will get any satisfaction. My understanding is that the contract Alan Smoak had with Richard was written so that he retained the building and molds if Richard failed, so there was nothing left after the bankruptcy.

Here is the link to snoozy ll facebook page. There are some interesting videos and photos of the new business, which is part of Wesco trailers. They have a new layup schedule for the shell, which looks better than the earlier models.
https://snoozy2.com/
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Old 08-16-2020, 02:49 PM   #222
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Well, part of that’s good news anyway

Just sorry to hear about all those people. Sad somebody could walk away with that amount of money and no recourse.

Wish these new folks well...they’ve a lot of image stuff to overcome but the units were always good imo.

Thanks for the link
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Old 08-16-2020, 03:03 PM   #223
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..they’ve a lot of image stuff to overcome

I'd change the name, myself.

And, add propane, of course.
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Old 08-16-2020, 03:54 PM   #224
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Years back I worked for an employer that went bankrupt
Our payroll checks bounced . Taxes , SS , unemployment & workers comp wasn’t paid for the quarter . Credit union deductions were stolen . Lost our health insurance
Two years later he opened a business in an adjoining city and played the same game again
My heart goes out to the people who got screwed by Lil Snoozy !
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Old 08-16-2020, 05:13 PM   #225
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I'd change the name, myself.

And, add propane, of course.
I think the name is silly and the little goofy looking dog is dumb! Agreed, they need to add propane stove, heater and water heater to make it a really great camper. I installed it in my lil hauley buildout,
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Old 08-16-2020, 05:14 PM   #226
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Interestingly not the case in Australia, where we have been booming in the RV industry because people cannot fly to other countries, they are now touring Australia, well parts of it.
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Old 08-16-2020, 05:19 PM   #227
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As does Escape.
As does Travelhome here in Australia a 29ft version
https://www.travelhome.com.au
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Old 08-16-2020, 05:24 PM   #228
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Scamp has exactly 50 employees, by the way.
Their economic model is not bad, the sales you miss today are there when things slow down tomorrow.
Keep the overhead low, especially when the work force does not have a lot of choice out in the woods.
Benefits exist as part of what is necessary to attract and hold the employees they need.
No more than that is usually offered by any business large or small.
As I suspected they are a pretty small business, but producing a high in demand niche product
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Old 08-16-2020, 05:33 PM   #229
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Escape, Bigfoot, Trillium Outback, and Armadillo in Canada. Casita, Scamp, Oliver, Happier Camper, Airstream Nest, Relic, Weiscraft, GoBE(?) in the US. I count 12, with some likely on shaky ground.

Many, like Lil Snoozy, are small, specialty companies producing a single model. They have a way of coming and going for many reasons unrelated to the broader market- age or health of the owner, supplier issues, mismanagement, quality issues, high price/limited market... They lack economies of scale- purchasing materials and components in bulk, for example, making for higher prices and/or thinner margins.

There are only a few larger, well-established molded manufacturers with a diversified product line and a track record of weathering the ups and downs of the RV market. If one of those goes under in a strong market, that would indeed be surprising.
Do sound small we have approximately 150 Caravan Manufacturers in Australia with the very small ones having 40- 50 employees. Same size as Scamp . Large operations 1000+
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:03 PM   #230
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We all lost our money. The Snoozy 2 is going to be close to $30 thousand. They have a Facebook page.
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:13 PM   #231
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Interestingly not the case in Australia, where we have been booming in the RV industry because people cannot fly to other countries, they are now touring Australia, well parts of it.
RV business here is quite strong as well. Still a poorly managed company, even in a strong business area, can go bankrupt. Happens every day.
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Old 08-17-2020, 07:27 AM   #232
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Still sounds like fraud to me

I just hate to hear people defrauded like this with apparently no recourse.

I’d almost call my uncle Guiedo in Chicago and have him pay the previous snoozy company owner a visit!

$30 k wow, that’s getting up there
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Old 08-17-2020, 09:30 AM   #233
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The Scamp business model is to keep the number of employees below the trigger point where there are added regulations and taxes, etc.
Not a lot of employment options out there in the woods around Backus
Population (2010)
• Total 250
• Estimate (2019) 252
The median income for a household in the city was $26,875, and the median income for a family was $32,500. Males had a median income of $26,563 versus $13,438 for females. The per capita income for the city was $12,077. About 16.3% of families and 23.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 36.4% of those under age 18 and 14.3% of those age 65 or over.
Scamp was lucky that they had better insurance than they thought they had and were able to build back better after the fire than before.
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Old 08-17-2020, 03:31 PM   #234
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The new Snoozy 2 people are giving the people who lost their deposit a substantial discount. That pretty nice since they don’t have to.
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Old 08-17-2020, 03:58 PM   #235
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The new Snoozy 2 people are giving the people who lost their deposit a substantial discount. That pretty nice since they don’t have to.
Were I in their position, I'd do whatever I could to buy user community confidence. As a business owner, I applaud what they are doing, both for the folks who really need a break out of the whole deal, and for the good it does for themselves and the small-builder community.
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