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Old 02-18-2012, 10:25 AM   #1
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"LiL Snoozy" update

Just a few note's from the "old man" at "Lil Snoozy": We have made numerous evolvements since the intro of the " Lil Snoozy" A lot of it from input from you folks here on FRV. We have a new lighter weight frame (about 100 lbs savings) moved it in a couple of inches and found a black paint that sticks to the galvinizing making the frame nearly invisible, a new lighter weight yet stronger laminate structure for the body, doubled the size of the vertical cabinet's by the sink and increased the over head cabinets to 62" with three doors giving a ton more storage. Added drawers to the cabinets in the entertainment center. Extra or custom cabinets are readily available on request. We will begin posting our new lighter weights and interior cabinets designs when the webdesign company gets us a proof ready. We also have made a new fiberglass molded part that covers the frame out front giving a much cleaner neater look while also giving more outside storage for the generator or other stuff. A new fiberglass molded cover for the air conditioner (Keeps it cleaner, neater looking and keeps dirt dobers etc out of the unit) With the unit being mostly outside no worries of drainage or leaking in the cabin and it's much quieter. New vertical Led tail lights including a stop light over the door. We have a new 1100 Watt solar option designed by a commercial company that should run most every thing with in reason. And a lot more is coming with most improvements retrofitable to all existing "LiL Snoozy's" already out there. And you still don't have to duck your head going the door and fold this down and move that over to have a real inner spring queen size bed. We recently had a couple make a 4300 mile maiden voyage with out the first mishap. They were so happy they sold one for us when they returned home. Call us or e-mail us if we can help on any for your fiberglass or camper problems. Again thanks to all for your support.
Tha "LiL Snoozy Team"
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:52 PM   #2
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"A stronger laminate structure for the body..." Can you give us more details on the difference? Does this mean it's no longer molded FG?

Oh... and the 1100 watts of solar panels... is that a misprint? I can't imagine how you'd have enough roof space for that much.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:12 PM   #3
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Hey Mike,
It is still a molded fiberglass part as before and is still a foam cored construction but now has a different fiberglass cloth that uses less resin to saturate meaning less weight. Resin is only the binder of the clothes, (think glue), it in itself is very brittle so the less you can use and still saturate the cloth the lighter the part.
Yes 1100 watt solar system is correct. It is a high density commercial panel that measures about 4' by 2.5 ' It does not mount to the camper, rather it stays stored away under the bed and protected from road debri until needed. It has it's on stand to sit outside the camper at the correct angle of the sun, meaning you don't have to keep moving the camper around to get the max sun light.
Also I am investigsting a mention of up to a 30% rebate from the goverment for using solar.
If any one knows how to go about verifying and getting the rebate please let me know.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:55 PM   #4
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I'd really like to see a 4' X 2.5' panel that produces 1100 watts. That is about 5X the density of anything I've seen. Do you have the manufacturer or specific specs?
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:55 PM   #5
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Thanks for explaining about the difference, good to know. Wow, that's a lot of output for such a small panel! With that much wattage, seems like a bank of AGM batteries under the bed would be a great way to take advantage of it. That could run an efficient DC fridge and plenty of other stuff. Interesting!
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:16 PM   #6
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Solar panel 1100 watts or 110 watts?
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:43 PM   #7
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That really seems like a typo. I had two large panels and only got 120 watts from each, and they were a good 2' by 3'. And this wasn't all that long ago. 1100 watts seems really high.
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Old 02-18-2012, 05:40 PM   #8
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Hey Mike,
It is still a molded fiberglass part as before and is still a foam cored construction but now has a different fiberglass cloth that uses less resin to saturate meaning less weight. Resin is only the binder of the clothes, (think glue), it in itself is very brittle so the less you can use and still saturate the cloth the lighter the part.
would that be cormat by any chance?
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:08 PM   #9
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92 amps from one panel? Holy bleep - I want about 5 of 'em so I can charge a humongous battery bank and run my A/C all day and all night too! What make are they? Where can I get them?
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:41 PM   #10
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First : I don't know anything a about solar power. Thats why we hired a professional company to design it for us. If they quoted us wrong I will be the first to tell it. All I do know is thats what they told us and it ran the ac and the refrig for about 30 minutes while they were demoing it to us. I have to go by what they are telling us but really appreciated you guys input now to verify what they are saying before I will offer it as an option. Based on what your saying is that it is impossible for this to be true?
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Either they are using some unusual, non standard method of stating wattage or they have created a miracle. I'd ask them to clarify their 1100 watt figure. It is probably more in the 90 - 120 watt area for a panel that size.
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:47 PM   #12
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No core mat obsorbs too much resin meaning too heavy. This is a triaxle stiched material designed by Owens Corning for infushion molding.
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:51 PM   #13
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I will try to send a picture of the system and you guys give me your input.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:05 PM   #14
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I know nothing about solar. Had wondered if the 1100 watt had to do with the inverter. I know more about the inverter than solar. Either way, I am betting that whatever is going to be offered will be top of the line and by the time it is an option, full details and clarification will be available as with the other details offered by the crew at Lil' Snoozy!
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:49 PM   #15
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1100 watts is a very substantial solar panel. My 80 watt panel is about 7 square feet.

Scaling up from my panel to 1100 watts means the panels about 100 square feet or 7 feet wide and 14 feet long, that's a pretty substantial solar panel.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:11 PM   #16
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Wish I read this about the solar panel before we watched "This Old House". We think they had a panel on the show that produced one kw. It was not huge.

They said it used to cost $1000 but now is down to around $500.

Nancy (who someday hopes to see a Lil Snoozy)
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:30 PM   #17
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You can get a rough idea of the cost of RV based solar systems at AM Solar. I don't know anywhere that you can get 1K worth of panels for $500.00 & with current technology they would take more area than the roof of a typical fiberglass trailer.

Right now you are pushing it to find panels around $1.50 per watt & most are $2.00 or more. That does not include mounting, cables, controller, inverters, etc.

A typical complete home 1100 watt solar system runs around $6000.00. (Example from Blue Pacific Solar). The 6 panels used for this system are 185 watts each & each measure 62.2" x 31.81" x1.77".
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:22 PM   #18
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In case anyone is interested in the "This Old House" install you can go to this link

http://americanchoicesolar.com/PDFs/AC_250.pdf

At the bottom of that spec sheet they have a note:

ACS:Irradiance 1000W/m2, Module temperature 25degree C, AM=1.5

I guess I totally misunderstand all of this.

If I built trailers I would want to keep things simple and let people add what they want after purchase. This old dog doesn't learn new tricks.

Oh, and if by some chance this is some wonder panel I would not be able to lift it.

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Old 02-19-2012, 02:51 AM   #19
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Updates for Lil Snoozy

I heard about most of the updates you were planning when I visited your facility in December and ordered my trailer. I think all are a great idea including the additional driving lights in the rear and the larger cabinets.
One update you told me about but forgot to mention in your post is the increased size of the exterior access door to the under bed storage.
I found your under bed storage area unique in all the different fiberglass trailers I carefully considered before settling on the Lil Snoozy. I think your web site undersells this feature which my wife and I found to be very attractive. No other trailers we considered had a place to carry large items such as lawn chairs, screen tents, cooler, etc. without hauling them in your living space or hanging them somewhere on the outside of the trailer. A larger access door allows a person to get those bigger items into the very generous storage area your design provides.

I felt I had to add this for the readers here as you did not and since I find it a big plus in your design that I think they would like to know about.
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1100 watts is a very substantial solar panel. My 80 watt panel is about 7 square feet.

Scaling up from my panel to 1100 watts means the panels about 100 square feet or 7 feet wide and 14 feet long, that's a pretty substantial solar panel.
I think that Old Man Snoozy is out of his element and will have to backtrack on this. It is perfectly understandable, as 1100 watts sounds like nothing in the plug in world.
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