Motorhome Ban in six states

[jgilliam1955]

Big Government in action. What California does will trickle down to other states. Diesel engines are banned in 6 states. It will trickle down to smaller diesel and gas engines in the future. The Government will restrict gas stations and increase the price per gallon to force us into electric cars. The RV business will be dead. Who is going to drive a camper to unhook it and charge every 100 miles. Used car business will be dead because who will buy a used electric vehicle and risk having to replace a $50K battery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yoJC98946E

[C&G in FL]

Originally Posted by jgilliam1955

Big Government in action. What California does will trickle down to other states. Diesel engines are banned in 6 states. It will trickle down to smaller diesel and gas engines in the future. The Government will restrict gas stations and increase the price per gallon to force us into electric cars. The RV business will be dead. Who is going to drive a camper to unhook it and charge every 100 miles. Used car business will be dead because who will buy a used electric vehicle and risk having to replace a $50K battery?

“The sky is falling” (I still bemoan the demise of the horse and buggy days and Conestoga wagon RVs).

[ShelbyM]

Little impact on FGRVs.

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by jgilliam1955

Big Government in action. What California does will trickle down to other states. Diesel engines are banned in 6 states.

I bet the trucking industry is horrified, since most semi trucks are diesel.

"On October 24, CARB (the California Air Resources Board) amended its Advanced Clean Truck (ACT) regulations. Essentially, these new regulations require that all vehicles over 8,500 pounds GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) must produce zero emissions."

"as of now the only motorhome chassis that it will be able to sell to residents of any of the six states is from Ford. “Ford has implied confirmation that the F53 chassis will be available for California"

Note, there's always more to the story.

https://www.rvtravel.com/breaking-mo...ales-6-states/

[jgilliam1955]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

I bet the trucking industry is horrified, since most semi trucks are diesel.

"On October 24, CARB (the California Air Resources Board) amended its Advanced Clean Truck (ACT) regulations. Essentially, these new regulations require that all vehicles over 8,500 pounds GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) must produce zero emissions."

"as of now the only motorhome chassis that it will be able to sell to residents of any of the six states is from Ford. “Ford has implied confirmation that the F53 chassis will be available for California"

Note, there's always more to the story.

https://www.rvtravel.com/breaking-mo...ales-6-states/

You are right. There was a article how these electric trucks in California work. It now take several stops to charge up. They sit for hours to charge. They can not carry as much as diesel trucks.

[Iowa Dave]

While there are cars and trucks that run on Electrity that the poster predicts will end the diesel trucking industry and the RV industry he’s apparently never been to Iowa, Indiana, wisconsin, Minnesota and Ohio where thousands or horse drawn buggies ply the roads every day. If you go to the horse auction in Waverly iowa in the fall in Amish country and a nice pair of Percherons come up you’ll have you choice of either the horses or a $40,000 Escape. Unless of course you’ve got 80k cash in your pocket.then you could have the horses and the Escape and yes those horses could pull the escape, fuel up in the ditches and fertilize the shoulders of the road. Diesel and gas vehicles will be around longer than we will. Road apples are not for eating. Time for me to head to Panera’s for a cup of coffee and my weekly proselytizing from my corner booth pulpit.
Solar charging is the answer.
Iowa Dave

[jerrybob]

All this talk bout horse and buggies.....I love it. Might even be rich soon.....I have 65 horse drawn vehicles in our museum.....elegant ones....sleighs.....stagecoaches....wagons....bugg ies and even somes hearses. Haven't been selling them but.....ya just never know.







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[Terry in Fowler]

Sorry for getting off topic. I would like to see the museum. I enjoy the craftsmanship.

[Jon in AZ]

It's a stretch to doom the entire RV industry because of this one regulation, which is really targeting the commercial transport industry. Large motorhomes (and possibly some HD tow vehicles for large fivers) are collateral damage.

Such large RVs are an artifact of the 20th century, and sales will continue to decline, with or without a push from a few progressive states. They will enjoy an extended sunset as the declining population of those who still want them flee to less regulated states. Manufacturers and dealers that cling to a 20th century business model will lose in the end. Those that change and adapt will prosper.

Most of us in the molded fiberglass community are well ahead of the curve. The bigger issue for us is the 2035 ban on sales of new ICE light vehicles in (at last count) twelve states, with phase-in starting in just a couple of years. Even through Arizona is not among the twelve, the uncertainty regarding what sort of tow vehicles might be available and at what cost has already convinced me to hang onto our little 13' Scamp.

[ShelbyM]

^^^I agree, our small (rational) trailers are the future!

[Iowa Dave]

Thanks for the beautiful pictures. I’ve seen quite a few buggies, horse drawn sleighs and a couple hearses. Usually as singles in remote museums. Horse drawn sheep herders wagons with their tried and true design are very much like today’s pickup campers in their function and in many ways their form.
Iowa Dave

[Bill in Pittsburgh]

Had an acquaintance from Quebec that owned a very large bus. He explained that he put 40K to 50K kilometers per year on his bus. He also said that being retired he was never in a hurry thus he drove it very conservatively. Not counting fuel he said maintenance costs over five years of ownership was slightly over $60K.
NOT FOR ME so this ban will not effect me. However, there are people that have a real need for such a bus like traveling bands that will have to deal with the change. Everytime I'm parked near a supersized RV Bus or fifth wheel with my Snoozy I often find myself wondering if the owners regret their fast $ depreciating decision to buy such a monstrosity.

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by Bill in Pittsburgh

I often find myself wondering if the owners regret their fast $ depreciating decision to buy such a monstrosity.

I'm sure some do, but I also know there have been people that purchased small all molded towables and then had regrets. It's not about the size, or even the individual. We see the world through OUR reality. What I think is important is that we NOT be arrogant when comparing our choice to someone elses.

[Bill in Pittsburgh]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

What I think is important is that we NOT be arrogant when comparing our choice to someone elses.

I should apologize if I appeared arrogant but I do not think I was being arrogant at all. As I clearly said, "NOT FOR ME" and "some people have a need for such".
I stated, " I just wonder" and will continue to wonder without being arrogant. I am unable to help what I wonder.

[Perryb67]

Originally Posted by Jon in AZ

It's a stretch to doom the entire RV industry because of this one regulation, which is really targeting the commercial transport industry. Large motorhomes (and possibly some HD tow vehicles for large fivers) are collateral damage.

Such large RVs are an artifact of the 20th century, and sales will continue to decline, with or without a push from a few progressive states. They will enjoy an extended sunset as the declining population of those who still want them flee to less regulated states. Manufacturers and dealers that cling to a 20th century business model will lose in the end. Those that change and adapt will prosper.

Most of us in the molded fiberglass community are well ahead of the curve. The bigger issue for us is the 2035 ban on sales of new ICE light vehicles in (at last count) twelve states, with phase-in starting in just a couple of years. Even through Arizona is not among the twelve, the uncertainty regarding what sort of tow vehicles might be available and at what cost has already convinced me to hang onto our little 13' Scamp.

Originally Posted by Donna D.

I'm sure some do, but I also know there have been people that purchased small all molded towables and then had regrets. It's not about the size, or even the individual. We see the world through OUR reality. What I think is important is that we NOT be arrogant when comparing our choice to someone elses.

The new Escape forum has the ability to "Like" individual posts. I wonder how soon RV Life will update this forum?



Thanks,

Perry

[jerrybob]

Originally Posted by Terry in Fowler

Sorry for getting off topic. I would like to see the museum. I enjoy the craftsmanship.

Come on up.....we have one of the finest collections in the country.....would love to show you the collection.

www.nwcarriagemuseum.org

[jerrybob]

Originally Posted by Iowa Dave

Thanks for the beautiful pictures. I’ve seen quite a few buggies, horse drawn sleighs and a couple hearses. Usually as singles in remote museums. Horse drawn sheep herders wagons with their tried and true design are very much like today’s pickup campers in their function and in many ways their form.
Iowa Dave

You're welcome.....you would love our chuck wagon and road coach.

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by Bill in Pittsburgh

I should apologize if I appeared arrogant but I do not think I was being arrogant at all. As I clearly said, "NOT FOR ME" and "some people have a need for such".
I stated, " I just wonder" and will continue to wonder without being arrogant. I am unable to help what I wonder.

You weren't and I should apologize if my post indicated you were.

I was making a general statement. Something I see too many small trailer owners doing. Better to be kind even if what someone else has isn't anything we ever want for ourselves.

[JMolak]

That hit the "sensitive" button pretty quickly, didn't it Donna.
The original statement said "what California does usually follows to other states.
Vehicles still have "California Emissions" and Standard Emissions, for other States. There are companies that build to comply with both, only because it is financially better.
Keep up the good work Donna

[computerspook]

Originally Posted by ShelbyM

Little impact on FGRVs.

Well in one sense yes. After all they don't have a motor. Have also seen them try and ban propane which we do use. But they are not going to be very useful and alot of this would affect tow vehicles.

The cheer leaders of EVs says they are equivalent. But they are in fact not close and cost many times more with a much shorter life. And the batteries are only the start of this. We are going to start having a lot of people die because of that lie. Just waiting for a tesla to go full high order next to a school. Of course the press will make sure that we never hear about it from them. But a Tesla could like level a small grade school. No survivors. And what happens the first time that an evacuation by vehicles needs to be done when the vehicles are EVs. When they do evacuations of Florida they actually send gasoline tankers and fill up people on the route. That takes seconds. EVs that a long time and then you have to get power to the refill area. I have been involved with an area evacuation and the power was already out. But enough gas stations had emergency power for their pumps to run the pumps and fill people up. BUT they did not have enough emergency power to even fill up one EV.



About decade ago I had a friend with one. He knew he could get to the other side of Indy from here and back with about a 50 mile extra on a full charge so he headed ti a meeting there and expected to be able to easily make the round trip. But if you lived around here you would know how much we cussed the shutting down of Martinsville for constructing I69. Long detours. And he did not know they were doing that and did not plan on that. Then both ways they had just started the detours and there were peoples so there ended up with detours of the detours of the detours because of this and some accidents. Some times Indy was like twice as far away as usual. :-( My friend ended up about 60 miles from home and about 45 miles to the route with a dead battery. I ended up having to take my lawnmower trailer and put my generator on it and then drive to his house and get his travel changer from his wife who had to drive home from work to get it to me and then I ended up driving to him and getting enough charge to get him home and to his home based quick charger. Think of the problem with instead of one or two people with this problem thousands.


And yes California is going to be making fuel much more expensive. I remember decades ago when the pumps would not accept a price over 99 cents. OH those were fun times for drivers and stations ;-) Well we are going to see this again because you can bet that thanks to the new reserve requirement for the gasoline industry in California prices per gallon will actually far exceed 9.99 a gallon and I wonder how many of their pumps we accept that. :-( Yeah the government says that this regulation will keep prices down but when you read the details you find that they will make the wholesalers spend a bunch more per gallon for every gallon. Of course this will be marketed by the liberals as the evil oil companies ripping the people off.

OH and those new fancy fast chargers. They are pushing to put those in homes and businesses. But if you get an email asking you to sign up if you have an EV, read the file print. The new circuit and the new chargers will be turned off and not work any time there is a power shortage.