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Old 05-22-2021, 12:51 PM   #21
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Well let's see . Let's say we get the 300 mile extended range model . Might be a prudent thing to cut the range in half for towing ? Now we have a range of 150 miles so we must limit ourselves to a 75 mile radius ? Living in any of many large cities in the US of A you aren't even out of sight of the city lights ? OH and you don"t dare use any of your battery power for the rv while you are camped . Lee
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Old 05-22-2021, 01:16 PM   #22
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I have seen two Teslas in my lifetime.....
well, living on the perimeter of the SF Bay Area, in coastal Santa Cruz, I see a *LOT* of Teslas every day. so many, I hardly notice them anymore. I just had to hop over highway 17 to drop my wife at SJ Airport, and I saw at least 3 Teslas on the way there that were doing the aggressive right lane jump (hop in the right lane to pass a few cars, then cut back into the left before they come up on slower traffic, rinse repeat. The left lane was already cruising around 10 over the 50 MPH speed limit on that twisty 4 lane mountain highway, and the right lane has 35 MPH trucks.

What I don't see a lot of, heh, are newer Mercedes E wagons, the W212 class, like I'm driving now, or the even newer W213. I see a fair number of the older ones, and tons of the ML/GLx SUVs, but the newer wagons, once fairly common (W123, W124, W210), not so many.

btw, here at least, rolling blackouts actually aren't at all 'common'. there was 1 a couple years ago during an extreme heat wave when a couple power plants couldn't handle the load, and we did have those power safety preventative shutdowns in wooded rural areas (much of the coast mountains) during fire season year before last, before they fine tuned their grid so they could shut down smaller areas and not preemptively shut down whole wide regions just in case. here on the coast, hardly anyone even has air conditioning at home, it wouldn't get used more than a couple days a year.
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For now at least get the powerboost hybrid F150. Best of both worlds with 30 gal gas tank and ability to plug in the trailer for many hours if needed.
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We live in small Twin Falls Idaho and Teslas have become quite common with the influx of Californians . Lee
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I'm not suprised that you see a lot of Teslas in California but here in Texas, at least in the part of Texas I live in south of Houston Teslas a scarce as hens teeth. Back to electri pickup trucks I recently came across one built by Canoo and I must say I really like the looks of it but again I think electrical vehicle tecnology is still a long way from competing with gas or diesel vehicles.
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Old 05-22-2021, 04:37 PM   #26
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Wonder what the cost of a full hook up site in a campground will be per night when all the tow rigs are electric???
Hi: jerrybob... Site prices will certainly be higher... but you can still use your "Charge card"!!!
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Old 05-22-2021, 04:51 PM   #27
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Towing our Boler with a Tesla

We used to tow our boler with a RAV4 and it worked great. I could not think of a better tow vehicle, that is until we got our 2020 Tesla Model Y. It came with a tow hitch and pulls our Boler like dream. I barely know it is behind me. We have always traveled to campsites with power because we like some comforts of home. Now when we get to the campsite I plug in both the Boler and the car. Even with a slow charge of 15A 110volt power we have always had lots of charge to come home every time we have gone camping for only two nights. Only a few dollars of power to get to our campsite and free to come home. We are not into back country camping and most campsite now have power available. It is nice to see the new Ford F-150 coming soon. Once you drive a new electric vehicle it is hard to go back to gas.
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Old 05-22-2021, 06:37 PM   #28
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Here's a facetious thought...
If regenerative braking is incorporated in the tow vehicle, would you get more range without trailer brakes?
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Watch the charging station infrastructure build as more electric vehicles are out there. Five years from now, I would expect most truckstops will have fast charge stations.

Now with the electric F150 coming out next year, I don't think we will be there yet. But its coming. For now, plug in hybrids are making a lot of sense.
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For now at least get the powerboost hybrid F150. Best of both worlds with 30 gal gas tank and ability to plug in the trailer for many hours if needed.
I was excited about the hybrid until I discovered it has a ridiculously small battery. I have a bigger battery on one of my DIY ebikes.
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Old 05-23-2021, 12:19 AM   #31
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Here's a facetious thought...
If regenerative braking is incorporated in the tow vehicle, would you get more range without trailer brakes?
Sure but it wouldn't be safe.
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I think that for an EV to work with larger RVs the RV will have to be redesigned for an EV. An additional battery in the RV for range and maybe a motor to help push but mostly to to have regen braking in the RV.

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I think that for an EV to work with larger RVs the RV will have to be redesigned for an EV. An additional battery in the RV for range and maybe a motor to help push but mostly to to have regen braking in the RV.


Exactly... self propelled trailers!
Problem is all that strip mining and heavy (diesel) equipment required to attain the rare earth materials needed to provide the batteries.
So far it looks like we could mine only a tiny fraction of the material necessary to build even a fraction of the batteries needed for electric cars.
For now, the "SMUG" pollution is only exceeded by the environmental impact.
Who knows maybe they will develop batteries made from sand, saltwater,and CO2?


Hydrogen powered internal combustion engines might make a more sensible segue from gasoline.
Of course politics trumps science every time.


Still, the Lightning is "progress"... and maybe a few more generations will bring practical electric cars.


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I'm old enough and poor enough I'll never have to consider the
benefits, and or problems of electrification of my transportation.
Which in my world is a good thing!
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Hi: jerrybob... Site prices will certainly be higher... but you can still use your "Charge card"!!!
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Alf, if, and only if (way into the future that is) EV's capable of towing trailers filling up campgrounds not only will campgrounds have to upgrade their power infrastructure but also likely have to add electric meters such as currently done for monthly stays at RV parks. Then there will be separate charges for the site and whatever power you use will be paid before you leave.

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Problem is all that strip mining and heavy (diesel) equipment required to attain the rare earth materials needed to provide the batteries.
So far it looks like we could mine only a tiny fraction of the material necessary to build even a fraction of the batteries needed for electric cars.
For now, the "SMUG" pollution is only exceeded by the environmental impact.
Who knows maybe they will develop batteries made from sand, saltwater,and CO2?
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was reading about a new aluminum-ion battery, uses graphene (a version of graphite) with the aluminum ions embedded in it Apparently a recent breakthrough on these allows them to charge 10X faster than LiIon or LiPoly, without overheating, and they have approximately double the energy density (per mass and per volume), and are expected to last a long time, too. they are still working out the manufacturing processes to be able to mass produce these. This could mean 5 minute charging stops.
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The Lightning probably won't be the first choice for trailer owners but it's likely to work well for lots of other folks. Probably a lot of work trucks don't need range of over 300 miles a day. Also trucks used to pull the boat to a nearby lake but otherwise used as a family vehicle. I'll certainly consider the hybrid version if I need to replace my current 5.0 F150 before I age out of trailering. Hybrids make a lot of sense and still use the huge gasoline infrastructure. Our first Prius served us well for 11 years with no maintenance expenses other than fluids and tires. I had doubts initially but it turned out to be a very economical small car. We took the new replacement on an 8 hour family errand trip last week and got almost 70mpg. Mostly interstate @ at 70-75 mph. Sorry for so much verbiage but sometimes new stuff isn't all bad.
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was reading about a new aluminum-ion battery, uses graphene (a version of graphite) with the aluminum ions embedded in it Apparently a recent breakthrough on these allows them to charge 10X faster than LiIon or LiPoly, without overheating, and they have approximately double the energy density (per mass and per volume), and are expected to last a long time, too. they are still working out the manufacturing processes to be able to mass produce these. This could mean 5 minute charging stops.
Sounds great and exactly to my point. When they get significantly better than an old Baker... Nahh... When they get better than gas, at a competitive price, we'll take another look.

Oh, and the environmental impact needs to get more competitive as well.


Still, it looks like mandates may be on the way, which will mean no progress on either front.
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the stripped down single cab short bed standard range commercial model, probably with a vinyl bench seat, is $40000 after a hypothetical $7500 rebate.

the loaded 4 door Platinum edition shown in all the pictures is around $90,000 after said rebate.

oh, and these prices are all tentative, real numbers come out spring 2022, when the actual vehicles are released.
That $7500, or whatever rebate is applied, is the biggest objection I have. All EV's are purchased by folks who, in my judgement, do not need my subsidy. If you like it, go for it and pay the real price.
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All of this talk about electric vehicles, the pros and cons, has been interesting.
However, the development of batteries and vehicles continues to evolve. Eventually
the transportation industry will reach a point where electric vehicles will be common place.
With the higher demand for electricity and materials for batteries we will be faced with
environmental issues. More mining for minerals and more electricity production will cause the same concerns we're faced with today
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