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Old 01-19-2009, 04:52 PM   #1
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Not really but we are making plans to take our Trillium to Florida in the middle of Feb for a week. Where we will be staying has washroom and shower facilities but no electricity. We haven't camped in over 10 years so I was wondering what items should I remember to take with me. I am going to take a new clay pot to put on the stove if I have to get rid of any "chill" at night but is there any type of checklist that anybody has made up. We haven't had the trailer out yet (only owned it for 2 months) so what specific items should I be packing into it.

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Hey Don,

Sounds like a fun trip.
I guess the thing that jumped out on me is your trailer is 34 years old, you've only owned it two months, and never gone camping in it yet. In addition, you're pulling it quite a ways from Canada to FL which will encompass passing through a lot of bad weather enroute. I'd be concerned first with knowing if all the trailer and towing basics are ready for the trip? New tires, wheel bearings changed and packed, lights fully functional, trailer brakes(if equipped) checked and adjusted, hitch and leveling equipment safe and in place, road tool and safety kit together, etc., etc., etc.
It took us about three months of camping after gutting and rebuilding ours, before we really had our 81 snuffed out and felt comfortable towing long distances and doing some boondocking.
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:17 PM   #3
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I boondock most of the time. As a matter of fact, I camphosted every weekend last summer at a Forest Service campground with no hook ups. I was more comfortable and had more time than the head host who had a generator.. she depended on it. I did not need to. (She had sewer hook ups tho.. she wins! LOL!)

I did a simple website on boondocking without all the pain and grit. It deals partially with inexpensive (relative) solar powered battery charging, but there are a few pages of items in there I use without power at all.

Roughing it for the spoiled.

I really need to facelift this site.. I don't even have that trailer anymore, but I STILL have all the stuff you see in there.
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Don N,
Probably the most effective thing you can do is camp in your own driveway. Make a list of all the things you have to "borrow" from the house and that will at least get you started. Practice hitching and unhitching several times, making a procedure list so nothing dangerous is forgotten.
Have fun in the process!!!

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Old 01-19-2009, 09:57 PM   #5
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Greg, the trailer is getting a new axle with brakes as we speak. We have completely rewired both the 12 volt and 110 volt. Installing a battery on the tongue. Will run both the stove and furnace before we leave. I already know the fridge works on 110V but will switch over to the propane and try it. Will be towing it with my 2001 Silverado pickup as not sure what the weather will have in store for us in Virginia, etc on the way down. The pickup already has a brake unit wired into it. Also installing a new 2" ball A-Frame on the tongue. More than likely change over to 14" wheels so it will have new tires as well.
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Greg, the trailer is getting a new axle with brakes as we speak. We have completely rewired both the 12 volt and 110 volt. Installing a battery on the tongue. Will run both the stove and furnace before we leave. I already know the fridge works on 110V but will switch over to the propane and try it. Will be towing it with my 2001 Silverado pickup as not sure what the weather will have in store for us in Virginia, etc on the way down. The pickup already has a brake unit wired into it. Also installing a new 2" ball A-Frame on the tongue. More than likely change over to 14" wheels so it will have new tires as well.
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Wow, that's awesome. You've gotten a lot accomplished in a short time. Wasn't sure if you'd gotten the axle solved yet or not. Sounds like you're going to be in pretty good shape for the road. Most of the rest of the comfort stuff you can always get at Wally if you find you forgot or need something.
Enjoy the sunshine and make sure you take a camera and post pics of the trip....
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:23 AM   #7
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I am going to take a new clay pot to put on the stove if I have to get rid of any "chill" at night
Don,
Somewhere here there is a link to the "clay pot" heater. Essentially it is a series of increasingly smaller clay pots held together with some nuts, washers and a long bolt.
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All we used when we were camping before was just the one clay pot inverted over top of a stove burner for awhile. Gave off great heat. The series with nuts and bolts sounds interesting. Never seen it done that way. Greg, will post some pics later in the week with the new axle, etc.
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The series with nuts and bolts sounds interesting. Never seen it done that way.
Here's the topic: Candle powered radiant heater
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Thanks for the link Donna. I missed that one in Dec. But I think I will stay with the pot on the stove. I have done this and I know it works (unless you use a fancy painted and decorated pot and does it stink...and don't ask me how I know this ) Don't want any dripping candles around in the trailer.
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Don't want any dripping candles around in the trailer.
My suggestion was to copy the desgn of how they assembled the pots together in this link. (Thanks Donna)

Then use that on your stove the same as your single clay pot. The greater mass would retain and radiate heat longer. No candles needed because you have the stove.

A large pot of hot water would work the same fashion.
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Old 01-21-2009, 05:22 AM   #12
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OK Roy. I see what you are referring to. The extra mass would help. I seem to remember that a good part of the heat came out thru the hole in the bottom of the pot which you would lose with them bolted together. But I could be wrong on that. I wouldn't think a pot of water would give on anywheres near the same heat factor.
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Hi: All... We used to find that on the few occasions there was a chill in the Boler, just heating a kettle full of water to the boiling point also had the trailer warm too!!! I always found a dual purpose, hot water for wash up+heat in the am. helped when camping in a small trailer!!!
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I boondock most of the time. As a matter of fact, I camphosted every weekend last summer at a Forest Service campground with no hook ups. I was more comfortable and had more time than the head host who had a generator.. she depended on it. I did not need to. (She had sewer hook ups tho.. she wins! LOL!)

I did a simple website on boondocking without all the pain and grit. It deals partially with inexpensive (relative) solar powered battery charging, but there are a few pages of items in there I use without power at all.

Roughing it for the spoiled.

I really need to facelift this site.. I don't even have that trailer anymore, but I STILL have all the stuff you see in there.
I enjoyed reading your website just as is, very entertaining as well as enlightening. When do you get another camper
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Before Memory Foam, and camping in the fall, we would open up a sleeping bag on the bed to add an extra layer of warmth under us and help smooth out the lumps of the cushions. Our double sleeping bags went on top of this. A warm kettle in the evening took off the chill before retiring. Except for morning coffee or when it is very stormy, most of our cooking is done outside on a camp stove or portable BBQ. The first person up in the morning would start the coffee pot going on the stove in the trailer, and by the time you got back from the washroom {pit] your first cup of 'Good Morning' was ready to pour and the trailer toasty warm for your other half to leasurly get up and tell you the menue of the day so that by the time she's dressed you have her breakfast ready. Ah, the life!
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Hi John, thanks.

I have another trailer. That was my 13 foot Burro, now I have a 17 with all the "fodder". Altho the bathroom gets used all the time, the other bells and whistles are often dead weight, since I rarely have hook ups.

The equipment you see has been transferred to, or duplicated in the bigger rig, and expanded. I still do everything pretty much the same.
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I think the pot of hot water is a great idea. Covered, it seems as though it would hold (and distribute) the heat for quite a while (not to mention you'd have the flame heat as you were heating it up in the first place) (and you can pour a cup of tea if you like ).

I think most of what the flowerpot does is create mass for initial heating and subsequent release, isn't it I don't know all the physics facts, but it seems as though water would be similar. I would think it might dissipate heat faster, except a gallon or two of water seems like it might outdo a flowerpot in sheer volume.

Anyway, it's another idea that might work for some people. I know I already have a good pot with a lid , just hadn't thought of it.

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You got it Raya! The physics facts are a little rusty in my mind at the moment, it has been a while since I studied it. Many buildings are heated by water (radiators).

What I do know is that if you use a pressure pot, you can heat the water to a higher temperature which would provide more heat to the trailer as it cooled. Whether that is radiant or covection is something for the technogeeks to discuss.

For those that have a heater under the sink, filling the sink with water makes your sink become a heat sink. (pardon the pun) With the heat sink operational you can turn the furnace down to the pilot and keep the chill off most of the night.
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warm water creates mass condensation issues though.

I have felt the heat effect, true, as a side effect of making coffee or cooking, but I personally would not want to heat my rig with it.

I would also be concerned about an open flame and byproducts.

Personally, I would (and did) invest in a portable catalytic heater instead. It's not wothout it's own condensation creation, but not nearly as much as warm or boiling water would.

Covering the pot may slow the condensation down a smidge, but steam is going to escap no matter how tight you think the lid is.
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I hear you on the steam, Gina. When I heat water (for tea or whatnot), I usually crack the window over the stove just a touch to let any escaped steam out. And true, some cold air comes in then. But I guess I was thinking that the mass of hot water would stay hot/warm for quite some time after you'd turned off the burner, closed the window, and gone into relaxing or sleeping mode.

That said, I agree that it's nothing you'd want to use on a regular basis; but then neither is the flowerpot, in my opinion. I've also heard that flowerpots can give off toxic fumes (I suppose dependent on their make-up, and I have not researched it since I don't use them), and at least a pot is just stainless steel or etc.

For real cold or continuous cold-weather camping, I agree that either some kind of furnace, or a different attitude and a lot of clothing are required.

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