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11-15-2015, 10:35 AM
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Senior Member
Name: To Infinity & Beyond!
Trailer: 1985 Uhaul VT-16 Vacationer, 1957 Avion R20 & 1977 Argosy 6.0 Minuet
Tennessee
Posts: 660
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Trailer brakes if not so equipped would be a MUCH better way to spend any extra money you have over wood cabinets and a dinette!
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11-15-2015, 11:34 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Walter
Trailer: 2017 Escape 17B
SW Virginia
Posts: 2,263
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I prefer fiberglass cabinets to wood simply because they are easier to clean/maintain. And as others here have said, you can create a lot of ambiance with decorations and mods.
And regarding standard vs deluxe, my first trailer was a 13' deluxe and I never used the toilet or shower for the first year. Having come from a lifetime of tent camping, like many of us, the trailer was primarily a hard shell tent; easier to tolerate bad weather and a better bed.
But I eventually started using the toilet and shower and now I'd never want to do without the convenience.
Walt
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11-15-2015, 08:09 PM
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Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 47
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Have you considered the weight difference between the Standard and Deluxe?
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11-15-2015, 08:35 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,814
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I mentioned this in a different thread, but I saw a brand new 2014 16' Scamp Deluxe in September. I was not impressed with the wood work. The wood work in my 1988 Deluxe far surpasses what I saw. Everything right down to the fit and finish. At one time, Scamp did have the best wood interior, I won't ever be able to say that about what I saw. If they don't pick up their game again, no one else will say it either. Chintzy comes to mind.
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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11-15-2015, 10:05 PM
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#25
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,531
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
I mentioned this in a different thread, but I saw a brand new 2014 16' Scamp Deluxe in September. I was not impressed with the wood work. The wood work in my 1988 Deluxe far surpasses what I saw. Everything right down to the fit and finish. At one time, Scamp did have the best wood interior, I won't ever be able to say that about what I saw. If they don't pick up their game again, no one else will say it either. Chintzy comes to mind.
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I'm guessing that you saw the birch interior, which has been variegated for a few years now.
It is a controversial look which some like.
The new trailers in oak still have the same matched panel look that they always have had and it is still the best in the industry from the dozen or so new ones which I have seen lately.
My trailer started out beautiful and it too has improved with age.
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11-15-2015, 10:19 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,531
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin B.
Have you considered the weight difference between the Standard and Deluxe?
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Some people might still like the Standard even after such a trivial consideration.
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11-15-2015, 10:51 PM
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#27
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Senior Member
Name: Gilda
Trailer: 2011 Scamp 13'
California
Posts: 1,445
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon in AZ
1. I do not find the standard interior "sterile." Between the rat fur, cabinet doors, upholstery and colorful area rug we put on the floor, there are plenty of soft surfaces and plenty of ways to make any trailer feel cozy and home-like.
2. Wood cabinets will not increase your enjoyment of the places you visit. Most of the time you are in the trailer you are asleep.
3. If you are even a little handy, it is not difficult to convert the front sofa into a front dinette, and for far less than $3000. You will have to cut brand new fiberglass, though! If you do decide to go this route, you might want to work with Scamp on having the front cushion made in 3 or 4 sections to facilitate the conversion.
On the other hand,
4. I agree with Floyd that the quality of the wood cabinetry is excellent and durable. If that's something you will appreciate and enjoy over the years, you should consider it added value.
5. Consider the value of your time as well as the expense of converting the front sofa to a dinette in the cost equation.
And most important,
6. Have you toured both standard and deluxe Scamp 13s? In a decision like this, there's nothing like firsthand experience.
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I'm with Jon and others. $3000 can purchase a lot of "glamping" decor. We have a basic 2011 Scamp and are very happy with it. Interior decor is important to me and I find that I can change up the look very handily with themed decor which includes curtain side panels, pillows, comforter, wall hangings and accessories. In addition, I create spare tire covers and use themed picnic tablecloths. See photos of autumn theme.
We thought we'd really use the table set-up but ended up leaving the bed set up all the time, eat a simple breakfast indoors, pack a lunch in our daypack, go for a hike and return to have our dinner outdoors. We do not miss the table. We use small trays for breakfast and use them to carry our dinner supplies outdoors.
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Gilda (Jill-da)
"Here we go again on another amazing adventure"
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11-15-2015, 11:36 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Lynn
Trailer: Casita Spirit 16'
Indiana
Posts: 215
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If I was you, I would priortize your lifestyle. If having a dinette so one person can have coffee and journal while the other sleeps in, or one of you wants to go to bed early while the other sits up watching a DVD movie on a laptop, then the dinette is important - get it. I paid twice what I originally planned so we could have a dinette available for activities while others are sleeping. Have only spent 3 nights in my new 16' Casita and I already know I made the right choice for my lifestyle. And if the front dinette is right for your lifestyle, then I would get it up front. (Rather than cut up a brand new trailer to make it.)
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11-16-2015, 07:09 AM
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#29
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Senior Member
Name: Frederick / Janis
Trailer: Previously Scamp 13 2002,2016. Scamp 16 on order
Michigan
Posts: 291
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon in AZ
Really hard to say, since after 15 years, condition is the single greatest factor in resale value,
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You said a mouthful there, Jon. This trumps about everything.
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11-16-2015, 08:19 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 12,311
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I'm curious, Frederick... Since you already have a trailer- why are you thinking of another? Guessing it is the larger bed?
My advice would be to use the one you have for at least one season. There may other things besides just the bed that turn out to be not right for you. As an accommodation to the small bed, you can try sleeping head-to-toe, or one of you can take the front sofa. There's nothing to stop you from continuing to shop the used market for a deluxe or a large-bed standard. But you may find, as others have, that actual experience leads you to a different model.
Meantime, if you want a front dinette, go ahead and do the mod. Nicely done, it should help the resale value, especially if you preserve the bunk function, as in this example:
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11-16-2015, 08:36 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Frederick / Janis
Trailer: Previously Scamp 13 2002,2016. Scamp 16 on order
Michigan
Posts: 291
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Jon, first, we'd like to move up to a late model, or even a new unit. The latter option only being exercised if we run out of patience searching for an ideal, late model used one.
Of course, what you described is essentially our plan. We fully intend to use what we have right now for this winter's trip upcoming. Too late in the process to change horses now. But we have camped and RV'd for four decades using stick builts, pop-ups, truck campers and lordy, lordy, even tents so we've a pretty good grasp of things I think.
The 2002 we did find required considerable man hours of restorative work. To be honest, we're getting too old for that kind of thing all the time. :-)
These photos will spare you the gory deails of floor rot/repair, etc, but it came together quite nicely and will serve us this winter, anyhow. We also replaced fabric, all cabinet faces with red oak plywood, re-wired a ton of stuff, sewed and re-upholstered, repainted, and well, you name it. Still have a bunch of rivets to repair/replace.
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11-16-2015, 09:02 AM
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#32
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Senior Member
Name: Frederick / Janis
Trailer: Previously Scamp 13 2002,2016. Scamp 16 on order
Michigan
Posts: 291
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Jon, yours is a beautiful piece of work. Well done indeed.
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11-16-2015, 09:14 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 12,311
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I wish! It is from a Boler that sold in WA a while back. I saved the pictures in my "Ideas" folder.
For now we leave the stock bunks set up when we're camping, since we have two kids. When we're empty nesters, I'd like to look for a 16' side bath and convert the front sofa like the pictures. Or maybe I'll buy a deluxe... LOL!
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11-16-2015, 10:45 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Frederick / Janis
Trailer: Previously Scamp 13 2002,2016. Scamp 16 on order
Michigan
Posts: 291
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So interesting to note that on Casita sites, the folks are doing a lot of similar mods in reverse, converting their side dinettes into couches. On the Scamp/Boler sites, the mods are often to turn the front couch into a dinette.
I guess we always want something different than what we have. I dunno.
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11-16-2015, 08:19 PM
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Member
Name: MEX BOB
Trailer: Perris pacer
California
Posts: 56
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Bite the bullet and don't look back ! U can buy cheap beer , cheap shoes ,cheap clothes and cheap food ! If ur cheap ! Than I guess u deserve it ! Enjoy it ! Or save ur money ! So u can leave it to ur children ! ! 😜
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11-16-2015, 08:23 PM
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#36
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,814
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mexbob5150
..... Or save ur money ! So u can leave it to ur children ! !
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No kidding! One of my favorite bumper stickers says "Spend your children's inheritance. You'll enjoy it more than they will."
True story!
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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11-16-2015, 08:34 PM
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Member
Name: MEX BOB
Trailer: Perris pacer
California
Posts: 56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
No kidding! One of my favorite bumper stickers says "Spend your children's inheritance. You'll enjoy it more than they will."
True story!
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I always say ! I gonna spend and enjoy the money I have ! And when I die ! My children can fight for Wats left over !
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11-17-2015, 05:44 AM
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#38
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Member
Name: Bob
Trailer: Scamp
Illinois
Posts: 66
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13 Deluxe
My wife and have a 13 Deluxe with larger bed and front dinette on order. We ordered it in July for an April build. We have since bought a used 13 Standard and an older 19 Deluxe. We are I our mid sixties, so our view is that of an older couple.
Scamps deluxe wood work is very nice. Our new 13 that is on order has wonderful birch with many shades of color. Our 19 Deluxe has cleaned up well and the 27 year old cherry is beautiful. Our little 13 Standard reminds me of a clinical examination room form the sixties.
We really dislike having to change a table and bed back and forth. In a 13 Deluxe with a front dinette, the bed can stay a bed for days on end. If you are not wanting a bathroom in your 13, the Deluxe with the bigger bed and Front dinette is the way to go.
As I become older, I find that things on the bottom shelf tend to stay there. I dislike more and more bending over. Not too impress with the 13's icebox location, just too darned low.
Have two Scamps to detail out and learn from has been a good experience. As an older guy, I'm becoming aware of the climbs required by the 19. It has a step at the door and I really do have to climb into bed.
By warm weather, we'll have a couple of Scamps for sale.
BobH.
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11-17-2015, 09:44 AM
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#39
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 1,704
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Wife and I have the 13' "Standard". She likes the brightness of the white fiberglass and doesnt feel as "closed in". I like the wood look...BUT....
I would NOT pay $3000 for something in my trailer that's going to contribute absolutely NOTHING. We look at how much time is actually spent inside our trailer.
No, we're not going to leave the 3K for our kids, but I can think of ALOT of things/toys I'd like to have rather than blowing it on something I really dont want/need. That's just my opinion.
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11-17-2015, 10:23 AM
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#40
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Senior Member
Name: Bob Ruggles
Trailer: 2015 Escape
Michigan
Posts: 1,537
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Concerning the money: my philosophy is "if I don't spend it, the kids will get it." I've told them that and they don't care. A single lady friend (elderly) asked my advice about a Roadtrek which she really wanted. My advice was if you want it and can afford it, go for it.
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