Scary Dog incident by alert

[alan H]

Originally Posted by floyd

Shrink tubing or a staple gun. maybe drywall screws


No wait... how about piercings?

How about rivets or stainless steel fastener or silicone....might as well open up a couple of cans of worms lol

[floyd]

What a person thinks about the use of handicapped parking is irrelevant.
It is the law and it is commonly enforced with extreme fines.


So much so that I have a friend who went to the mall with his father's car to pick up his father. The car had his father's handicapped plates.
My friend went to door number one and parked in the reserved spot, and went into the mall entrance to retrieve his dad who was supposed to be at that entrance.
He was not there. My friend then went to another entrance and repeated the process.


After finding his dad and helping him to the car he was about to leave.
A policeman stopped him and informed him that he had been watching and that he had parked twice without a handicapped person in the car.
Even with his dad now in the car and an explanation, my friend received two tickets and paid several hundred dollars in fines.


All the talk about right or wrong doesn't matter today.
It is what it is ...and what you think is moot.


Same is true about animals, there is a spectrum.
Everybody accepts a seeing eye dog. Its after that when the gray starts.


There are many things in life which we are forced to tolerate, many times even forced to pay for. You will be forced to comply, but so far the law is not concerned about whether you like it or not... but it will be ...as soon as it can.

[Doctor Harold]

Originally Posted by alan H

How about rivets or stainless steel fastener or silicone....might as well open up a couple of cans of worms lol

Contact cement?

Double sided carpet tape?

Or the infamous duct tape?

Oh, I know: butyl tape!!!



Harold

[Doctor Harold]

Originally Posted by floyd

What a person thinks about the use of handicapped parking is irrelevant.
It is the law and it is commonly enforced with extreme fines.


So much so that I have a friend who went to the mall with his father's car to pick up his father. The car had his father's handicapped plates.
My friend went to door number one and parked in the reserved spot, and went into the mall entrance to retrieve his dad who was supposed to be at that entrance.
He was not there. My friend then went to another entrance and repeated the process.


After finding his dad and helping him to the car he was about to leave.
A policeman stopped him and informed him that he had been watching and that he had parked twice without a handicapped person in the car.
Even with his dad now in the car and an explanation, my friend received two tickets and paid several hundred dollars in fines.


All the talk about right or wrong doesn't matter today.
It is what it is and what you think is moot.


Same is true about animals, there is a spectrum.
Everybody accepts a seeing eye dog. Its after that when the gray starts.


There are many things in life which we are forced to tolerate, many times even forced to pay for. You will be forced to comply, but so far the law is not concerned about whether you like it or not... but it will be as soon as it can.

You are so right. When people talk about the "justice system" they need to be corrected: there is no justice system, it's "the legal system".

What happened to your friend is shameful.

--Harold

[floyd]

Originally Posted by alan H

How about rivets or stainless steel fastener or silicone....might as well open up a couple of cans of worms lol

yeah, I thought about a branding iron, but they shed their skins.

[Doctor Harold]

You may not want to take Monty Python here: https://tinyurl.com/yydd7tf7 as he may end up on a plate -- with or without his vest.

[Kai in Seattle]

"If a person's vision is poor enough to qualify them as being disabled, should they actually be driving? I understand this is from the land of granola but, Really???? Steve Outlaw"



Steve Dunham: I see I replied to the wrong Steve. I understood what someone was saying, and wanted to point out that although it's not intuitive, there may be a reason why a visually-impaired person may still be driving. I see well enough to see I missed my mark and apologize to both Steves.

[Renae in MN]

We had an incident last month when we stopped for the night in Muleshoe Texas. It was a small free little rv park on the edge of town. All was quiet, so I brought my dogs out. There hadn't been a dog anywhere in site then when I brought mine out there was suddenly a pitbull quietly appoaching with its head low. It was on our dogs before they even knew he was there. There was another couple there as well, it was a real scramble getting my yorkies out of harms way. Had to pull them up by their collars. But the damage was done. We realized after dealing with the pitbull, which showed signs of haveing pups somewhere, but no collar or tags of any kind. That my 12 year old mixed yorkie was injured. She had a tennis ball size bruise on her side and a small puncture on the middle of her back. The vet identified it as a bruise, but it was literally a sack of blood under the skin. It is a month later and she has continued to have issues. My little dog that loved to hike for miles, no longer walks more than a few hundred feet. She falls on her side when we least epect it. I fear her spine has been damaged. This pitbull never made a move on the people there. But when we took it to try to find its owners, we came across kittens and little boys with a puppy. We had our hands full try to keep the other animals safe. Finally got the police there to pick it up. The point is this dog never tried to harm people, but had a strong instinct to kill any animal near by. I do believe it is a bred trait. My full blooded yorkie has all the traits of her breed, they are bred to hunt and kill rodents, and it very obvious in her play and actions. Luckily she is small enough to control. She hunted frogs and toads all summer, and I fear this behavior will bring her to a bad end. We have to keep her on a leash at all times.

[C&G in FL]

Originally Posted by Kai in Seattle

CPW: braille at a drive-thru window? For a blind passenger to lean over and enter their passcode without telling it to the driver?

Really, Kai?

You took my post seriously?

But since you did, could you please tell me what visually impaired person would even consider climbing into the driver’s lap at an ATM to enter a PIN or even what vehicle currently (and commonly seen) available has adequate space behind and above the wheel to even attempt such a move unless the visually impaired person is also a highly proficient contortionist? Perhaps an extremely old vehicle from the days when rumble seats were somewhat common?

[computerspook]

Originally Posted by CPW

Of course. Why else would the banks have Braille on their drive-up Windows?

Have never seen the braille in the windows. Have on the drive up atms. Mostly because they are the same as the nondrive up ones. But also if someone is in the back driver side then they could use them. You never know.

[cpaharley2008]

Originally Posted by floyd

What a person thinks about the use of handicapped parking is irrelevant.
It is the law and it is commonly enforced with extreme fines.


So much so that I have a friend who went to the mall with his father's car to pick up his father. The car had his father's handicapped plates.
My friend went to door number one and parked in the reserved spot, and went into the mall entrance to retrieve his dad who was supposed to be at that entrance.
He was not there. My friend then went to another entrance and repeated the process.


After finding his dad and helping him to the car he was about to leave.
A policeman stopped him and informed him that he had been watching and that he had parked twice without a handicapped person in the car.
Even with his dad now in the car and an explanation, my friend received two tickets and paid several hundred dollars in fines.


All the talk about right or wrong doesn't matter today.
It is what it is ...and what you think is moot.


Same is true about animals, there is a spectrum.
Everybody accepts a seeing eye dog. Its after that when the gray starts.


There are many things in life which we are forced to tolerate, many times even forced to pay for. You will be forced to comply, but so far the law is not concerned about whether you like it or not... but it will be ...as soon as it can.

I do not understand how this could have happen. The vehicle has handicap tags and any ticket would be against the tags registered, which is a handicap person. The driver has no involvement other than using the handicap vehicle to transport the handicap person. Who got the tickets and what tags were shown on those tickets? The driver was merely trying to pick up a handicap person and it is unreasonable to expect them to park in a regular spot until the handicapped person is found and then go out and move the handicap vehicle to a handicap spot. I think the judge would have instructed that policeman to start using some common sense. Dropping off a wheelchair person and then returning to that spot to retrieve them is certainly within the rights of a handicap permit, whomever maybe driving. I did it for 5 years driving a handicapped neighbor and never heard of "no handicap person was seen to make the handicap tags proper" parking situation....

[Jon in AZ]

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[Kai in Seattle]

Yeah, general griping. Dogs, police, handicapped...

A while back, I had to get to a restroom fast, and zipped into a handicapped parking space but forgot to put out my placard. I dashed into the store and then forgot to go back and put it up. I did some shopping (using the shpping cart as a walking aide). When I got back, I found a $500 ticket on my windshield. I was mortified. That was entirely my fault.

However, I mentioned it to my neighbor and she said to let them know I had a placard. I wrote a letter to the court and they took the ticket back.

So I got lucky all around. After that, Paul got us permanent license plates with the little wheelchair icon on them. My memory no longer had to work as hard. Both of us qualified for the placard which had become permanent after several years of going short-term to short-term.

As for that attacking dog--wow. We had a pug with a horrible attitude toward other dogs, but being a little pug, about 14 pounds, she was putting herself at great risk. I took her to the head trainer at Seattle Humane Society (since I was working there I knew her) and she described carefully how to make my evil little dog knock it off. It took three days, about an hour a day of diligent work and she got over her other-dog aggression.

People attribute a lot of things to dogs, and being "born evil" is one of them, but the biggest cause of it all is lack of early socialization. Dogs have a very short window of best learning, and between trying to get them all their shots before taking them in public, which is a real concern, and housebreaking them, many owners just don't take the time and effort to get them prepared for reasonable interactions with people and other animals.

I feel terrible for the poor little dog who got mauled. That pit bull, was it put down?

My daughter-in-law was knocked down by a Rottewiler when she was 8 months pregnant because it leaped a fence to get at their miniature dachshund, which it severly hurt. My son was going to kill the dog but called the police who sent the animal control who took the Rottweiler away for observation and in a few days, destruction.

That dog went over a 6-foot fence to attack. The owner had to pay the vet bills for the dachshund, which lived, but took nearly a year to recover as much as she ever did. My daughter-in-law was very badly shaken up.

Our grandson was okay.

BEST
"K"

[Kai in Seattle]

Jon in AZ: pretty pic of the autumn leaves. We had a pretty fall here, too. I like fall best of the seasons. I don't know why.

[gordon2]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

I do not understand how this could have happen. The vehicle has handicap tags and .....

Yes, assuming the facts are as given (which is always at question), then the driver first should have contacted the police officer's supervisor, and also contested the charge. Based on 30 years in the profession, I suspect that the driver was being less than honest or the officer had some reason to think he was not being honest. If it was even remotely a legitimate use of the handicapped space then there should be no ticket issued. But people have all sorts of stories and scams.. just watch a few episodes of Parking Wars

[floyd]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

I do not understand how this could have happen. The vehicle has handicap tags and any ticket would be against the tags registered, which is a handicap person. The driver has no involvement other than using the handicap vehicle to transport the handicap person. Who got the tickets and what tags were shown on those tickets? The driver was merely trying to pick up a handicap person and it is unreasonable to expect them to park in a regular spot until the handicapped person is found and then go out and move the handicap vehicle to a handicap spot. I think the judge would have instructed that policeman to start using some common sense. Dropping off a wheelchair person and then returning to that spot to retrieve them is certainly within the rights of a handicap permit, whomever maybe driving. I did it for 5 years driving a handicapped neighbor and never heard of "no handicap person was seen to make the handicap tags proper" parking situation....

Well it did.
Also it was in IllAnnoy, which is in the USA, not Canada.
I'm sure that the rules vary from province to province. They certainly do from country to country and from state to state.


The tickets were issued to the driver,
It makes little difference whether you have heard of similar cases or not, neither have I.


Corruption and enforcement also varies from place to place as well,

I.E...it is hard to believe that some states routinely ignore federal warrants and protect known criminals from prosecution, but it happens every day.
As I said... It is what it is.

[Glenn Baglo]

I presume the driver would not have the card that is issued to the handicapped person and is required to be carried, in addition to displaying the placard.

[Cliff Hotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Renae in MN

We had an incident last month when we stopped for the night in Muleshoe Texas. It was a small free little rv park on the edge of town. All was quiet, so I brought my dogs out. There hadn't been a dog anywhere in site then when I brought mine out there was suddenly a pitbull quietly appoaching with its head low. It was on our dogs before they even knew he was there. There was another couple there as well, it was a real scramble getting my yorkies out of harms way. Had to pull them up by their collars. But the damage was done. We realized after dealing with the pitbull,.

🤔 I’m truly sorry to hear your dog got hurt also sorry for the “pit bull “ which probably wound up being euthanized when it’s actually that dogs owner who is to blame. Any dog fight involving dogs that are greatly mismatched usually means the little guy really gets hurt or worse. I saw a pure bred Husky kill a shitzu in the blink of an eye. The smaller dog wandered into the Husky’s yard where he was chained. In this case the smaller dogs owner was totally at fault for not taking care of their little guy. I also witnessed a 100+ lb. pure bred German shepherd kill a 30 lb dog almost as fast. In that case the smaller dog running free went through the shepherds yard and the Shepard broke his chain when he went after it. My point is that it’s not the breed, half the mutts in this country are called pit bull. German shepherds are equally well known as seeing eye dogs as they are guard dogs. I’ve seen shepherds that are scared of their own shadows and those where afraid of nothing. Met some of the biggest friendliest St Bernards at camp grounds while a friend has 2 that are kept under lock and key because they are dangerous to anyone outside his family. You shouldn’t judge a dog on its breed , In many cases you’ll be disappointed. If you own a dog it’s your responsibility to take care of it which means to both control and protect it and to neuter it if it’s not going to be bred.

[computerspook]

Originally Posted by gordon2

Based on 30 years in the profession, I suspect that the driver was being less than honest or the officer had some reason to think he was not being honest. If it was even remotely a legitimate use of the handicapped space then there should be no ticket issued.

There are places that are absurd on this. Towing is worse. I have gotten tickets on our local campus six times for jump starting a car with an extra dead battery that a jumper box would not work for. Basically park next to the car with both hoods up and jumper cables between then. Then wait 10-15 minutes to get a real charge in the battery for a few seconds. Then jump start the car and they drive directly to get the battery changed.

They have a parking permit but I don't so the parking people have to sneak up and ticket my car. :-(

Got towed one time while on a response. Stopped for an accident. Incidentally we needed a tow truck badly but that is a seperate issue. I am parked in a parking lot with my light bar going rather than imped traffic. And this towing company had to grab my car and tow it because I ws not a customer of the place with the parking lot. :-( Yeah that one the cops got my car back from. But still ......

[Alex Adams]

When I lived in New York City, I worked at a restaurant and would open it in the early morning. In NYC, you could not park on one side of the street by a certain time in the morning else you were towed. I saw tow trucks carting cars away as early as 15 minutes before the deadline! Big money maker for the towing companies.