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Old 06-24-2019, 08:31 AM   #381
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I download Jon's list every so often. I believe my list is current as of the end of last year. Then I go in and massage the data to give me the summary output. I can't access the url Donna provided.
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What I've been trying to research is tow ability. It appears that Bigfoot as well as Escape have gotten heavier as the years go by. I could live with either trailer as they are both nice. I do like the dry bath in the Bigfoot and the fact that they have been around longer and there are more of them out there for sale. You don't see many Escape 21's come up for sale and when you do, because of the rarity, they sell for a premium.
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Depending on your computer & whether you have Excel, clicking on the link should download the file, but it may not automatically open. On my Mac, the file ends up in my downloads folder, and has to be manually opened with Excel, although I'm using a very old version of Excel.

I'd post it as a PDF, but you would then lose the ability to use Steve LaBroad's filters that let you choose a specific trailer. I don't have Open Office, so I don't know if the filters work with it. I do know they do not work using Numbers (Apple's answer to Excel).
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I appreciate all the work you guys do to maintain the pertinent information on this site. It allows people like me to make informed decisions on our next rigs. I am towing with a 2016 Chevy Colorado Diesel. Jonraw is also towing with a Colorado Diesel and pulls a surprisingly heavy Bigfoot 21. I have towed the best towing trailer ever in my Bonair Oxygen and I have towed a 24' stick built with 2 slides. My Colorado towed both very well but a long trip with the 24' beat me up and wore me out (does anyone else have this experience?). I'm looking for a certain amount of comfort mixed with decent tow ability.
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Steve, I owned an R-Pod for a few months while I was waiting for my Lil Hauley. It towed like crap. It had a weight distribution hitch with friction bar anti-sway, good tongue weight. The trailer frame measured the same from frame to ground, front and rear. I only got about 10 MPG and the thing swayed constantly, but wasn't oscillatory. I just pretended it wasn't behind me and held the steering wheel straight pedal to the metal. I think it was turbulence. I notice the newer R-Pods have a spoiler on the back side which boosts my turbulence theory. I was in a party mood when it went down the road behind someone else's truck.


My Lil Hauley tows great, even at 85 mph. I did this just to see how it handled. There is no WHD or anti-sway. It does have a high tongue to wheel base ratio, 10% tongue weight, is only 8 feet high with nothing on top and an aerodynamic shape as does your oxygen. I get 14.5 MPG average towing and 19 MPG with just the Tacoma.
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Depending on your computer & whether you have Excel, clicking on the link should download the file, but it may not automatically open. On my Mac, the file ends up in my downloads folder, and has to be manually opened with Excel, although I'm using a very old version of Excel...
You're right. I'm still getting comfortable with Windows 10 and it showed it downloaded the sheet three times! That seems right since I clicked the url three times.
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As mentioned earlier, open office will open it.
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Here's a screenshot of a recent download. I sorted the Escape 21s by total weight, bolded ours, and added a column on the right edge showing the tongue weight percentages.

Ours was labeled as 3,735 lbs dry weight as delivered from the factory with options.
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Depending on your computer & whether you have Excel, clicking on the link should download the file, but it may not automatically open. On my Mac, the file ends up in my downloads folder, and has to be manually opened with Excel, although I'm using a very old version of Excel.

I'd post it as a PDF, but you would then lose the ability to use Steve LaBroad's filters that let you choose a specific trailer. I don't have Open Office, so I don't know if the filters work with it. I do know they do not work using Numbers (Apple's answer to Excel).
I use Open Office "Planmaker" to open mine. It downloads into my "downloads" folder and is also accessible at the bottom left of my taskbar screen in Chrome when it first downloads. We have the distinction of having the heaviest 16' Scamp on the list. Not normally that heavy but that was a long cross country trip and still had partially full grey/black tanks.

Jon V, I don't know if you can annotate that the right side weighed 1,500 lbs on our 16' Scamp 3080 lb total weight. That is higher than the original 13" C rated tires maximum load (we upsized to 14" tires though). The side dinette model has all the heavy stuff on the right side; closet, microwave, hot water heater, fresh water tank, awning, loaded fridge, floor cabinets.

I love the ability to filter brands, sizes, etc.
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Civilguy you left out the year of the trailer? The Bigfoots have gained quit a bit of weight through the years. I'd like to track how much the Escape has gained and which would be the lightest years to own.
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I appreciate all the work you guys do to maintain the pertinent information on this site. It allows people like me to make informed decisions on our next rigs. I am towing with a 2016 Chevy Colorado Diesel. Jonraw is also towing with a Colorado Diesel and pulls a surprisingly heavy Bigfoot 21. I have towed the best towing trailer ever in my Bonair Oxygen and I have towed a 24' stick built with 2 slides. My Colorado towed both very well but a long trip with the 24' beat me up and wore me out (does anyone else have this experience?). I'm looking for a certain amount of comfort mixed with decent tow ability.

I was pretty surprised about the weight of the Bigfoot myself. I am not 100% convinced the Colorado and Bigfoot 21RB are a match made in heaven. I have only spent a few nights in it so far, and have only driven it to Monterey once, and around town on a few trips (CAT scale, dump station, hitch ship, etc). I didn't even have water, generator, solar panels, etc with me. The real tests will be how the Colorado handles pulling the Bigfoot fully loaded up over the Grapevine, up to Tahoe, or over the Continental divide. Still need to do more testing.
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The Bigfoots have gained quit a bit of weight through the years.

The same thing seems to have happened to me!
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Civilguy you left out the year of the trailer? The Bigfoots have gained quit a bit of weight through the years. I'd like to track how much the Escape has gained and which would be the lightest years to own.
This spreadsheet was started by Frederick L. Simson (refer original post of this thread) and has subsequently been updated by Jon Vermilye. The year of the trailer is not part of the spreadsheet and I have no way of knowing that information in order to add it. Ours, the one bolded with 4,590 lbs total weight, was built in December 2017.

However, they have been noting "2nd generation" for the Escape trailers when that information is available. The 2nd generation involved new molds, flat doors, and a more squared off shape along with some additional weight. I guess they started building them in 2017 - ?

old style vs new style Escape discussion - Escape Trailer Owners Community

Also, for what it may be worth, apparently a 23' Escape is being planned.

New Escape on the horizon! - Page 5 - Escape Trailer Owners Community
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For the sake of viewing ability and maintenance, it might be worth shifting it to a Google Sheets document instead of Excel. That way it can be edited from a browser, and multiple owners/editors can be added to make keeping it updated easier.
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For the sake of viewing ability and maintenance, it might be worth shifting it to a Google Sheets document instead of Excel. That way it can be edited from a browser, and multiple owners/editors can be added to make keeping it updated easier.
the best part of Google Sheets is, there's just 'one version of the truth'. the current document is live, and there aren't 37 versions floating around in the field from various points in time.
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This is a spreadsheet of all of the weigh-in results that I have from the past several years.
Several trailers were weighed multiple times.
8 trailers were weighed by others and reported in this thread.

Sorted 1st by TOTAL, 2nd by TONGUE, and 3rd by Length
Items 13, 14, & 19 are the same trailer, it was weighed 3 times
Items 33 & 37 are the same trailer, it was weighed 2 times
Items 39, 46, & 55 are the same trailer, it was weighed 3 times
Items 61 & 98 are the same trailer, it was weighed 2 times
Items 75 & 91 are the same trailer, it was weighed 2 times

Items 66 & 71 are My Trailer it was weighed 2 times
Item 02 is also My Trailer It is totally gutted*, consisting of just the Frame & Wheels, Floor, Fiberglass Body, Windows, and Door.
Item 105 has a generator on the tongue
Items 55 & 71 These 2 trailers had a FULL fresh water tank up front

ITEM_LENGTH_MAKE_______MODEL________AXLE__TONGUE__ __TOTAL
01___13_____Burro______B13___________718______90______808
02___13_____Hunter_____Compact Jr____800______60______860*
03___13_____Hunter_____Compact Jr____980_____140_____1120
04___13_____Hunter_____Compact Jr___1200_____100_____1300
05___13_____Boler______B1300________1160_____140__ __1300
06___13_____Burro______B13__________1100_____200_____1300
07___13_____U-Haul_____CT13_________1260_____180_____1440
08___13_____Burro______B13__________1260_____260__ __1520
09___13_____Perris_____Pacer________1260_____260__ __1520
10___13_____U-Haul_____CT13_________1400_____150_____1550
11___13_____U-Haul_____CT13_________1400_____160_____1560
12___12.5___WeisCraft__Little Joe___1380_____180_____1560
13___13_____Hunter_____Compact Jr___1540______60_____1600
14___13_____Hunter_____Compact Jr___1480_____120_____1600
15___13_____Scamp___________________1420_____200__ __1620
16___13_____U-Haul_____CT13_________1440_____240_____1680
17___13_____Hunter_____Compact II___1640______80_____1720
18___13_____Scamp______Standard_____1480_____240__ __1720
19___13_____Hunter_____Compact Jr___1600_____150_____1750
20___13_____Boler______B1300________1580_____220__ __1800
21___13_____Trillium___T1300________1600_____240__ __1840
22___13_____Hunter_____Compact II___1700_____160_____1860
23___13_____Scamp______Standard_____1720_____230__ __1950
24___15_____Trillium___T4500________1804_____170_____1974
25___13_____Hunter_____Compact II___1900_____120_____2020
26___13_____Escape__________________1780_____240__ __2020
27___16_____Casita_____Standard_____1780_____240__ __2020
28___14_____Surfside___EEE-TM14_____1880_____240_____2120
29___13_____Boler______B1300________1920_____280__ __2200
30___16_____Casita_____Liberty Dlx__2060_____280_____2340
31___13_____Casita_____Patriot Dlx__2120_____240_____2360
32___16_____Scamp___________________2100_____320__ __2420
33___16_____Scamp______Standard_____2280_____240_____25 20
34___16_____Scamp______SideDinette__2240_____280__ __2520
35___13_____Casita_____Patriot______2280_____280__ __2560
36___17_____Boler______B1700RGH_____2365_____220_____2585
37___16_____Scamp______SideBath_____2400_____200_____26 00
38___13_____Casita_____Patriot______2380_____260__ __2640
39___17_____Escape_____Plan B_______2340_____320_____2660
40___16_____Fiber Stream____________2560_____180_____2740
41___19_____Bonaire____Oxygen_______2420_____320__ __2740
42___17_____Casita_____Liberty______2260_____480__ __2740
43___16_____Scamp______Deluxe_______2440_____360__ __2800
44___16_____Casita_____Freedom______2580_____240__ __2820
45___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2260_____560__ __2820
46___17_____Escape_____Plan B_______2500_____340_____2840
47___17_____Escape_____Plan B_______2560_____320_____2880
48___19_____Scamp______5th Wheel____2420_____480_____2900
49___16_____Casita_____Spirit_______2640_____300__ __2940
50___17_____Escape_____Plan B ______2560_____380_____2940
51___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2560_____380__ __2940
52___16_____Fiber Stream____________2800_____160_____2960
53___17_____Boler______B1700________2730_____240_____2970
54___17.5___Bigfoot_________________2600_____380__ __2980
55___17_____Escape_____Plan B_______2500_____500*____3000
56___17_____Casita_____Freedom______2680_____360__ __3040
57___17_____Casita_____Spirit ______2660_____380_____3040
58___17_____Casita_____Freedom______2620_____420__ __3040
59___17_____Casita_____Spirit ______2740_____380_____3120
60___17_____Casita_____Freedom______2700_____420__ __3120
61___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____2670_____460_____3130
62___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____2920_____220_____3140
63___17_____Casita_____Freedom______2760_____420__ __3180
64___17_____Casita_____Liberty______2860_____360__ __3220
65___17_____Casita_____Freedom______2880_____360__ __3240
66___16_____Fiber Stream____________3000_____250_____3250
67___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2860_____390__ __3250
68___16_____Casita_____Spirt________2960_____300__ __3260
69___17_____Burro______Wide Body____2900_____360_____3260
70___17_____Burro______Wide Body____2820_____440_____3260
71___16_____Fiber Stream____________2760_____500*____3260
72___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2980_____300__ __3280
73___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2900_____400__ __3300
74___17_____Casita_____Liberty______2880_____420__ __3300
75___17_____Casita_____Liberty______2840_____460_____33 00
76___17_____Casita_____Freedom______2980_____340__ __3320
77___19_____Scamp______5th Wheel____2640_____680_____3320
78___17_____Escape_____Plan B_______3020_____320_____3340
79___20_____CustomLite_5th Wheel____2820_____520_____3340
80___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______3040_____310__ __3350
81___17_____Casita_____Freedom______3000_____360__ __3360
82___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______3000_____360__ __3360
83___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2960_____400__ __3360
84___19_____Scamp______5th Wheel____2780_____580_____3360
85___18_____Trillium___T5500________3060_____340__ __3400
86___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______3020_____480__ __3400
87___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2960_____440__ __3400
88___19_____Scamp______5th Wheel____2720_____700_____3420
89___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2980_____450__ __3430
90___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______2960_____470__ __3430
91___17_____Casita_____Liberty______3000_____460_____34 60
92___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______3140_____360__ __3500
93___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______3020_____480__ __3500
94___17_____Casita_____Spirit_______3000_____520__ __3520
95___17_____Casita_____Liberty______3100_____460__ __3560
96___19_____Scamp______5th Wheel____3000_____580_____3580
97___19_____Escape_____5.0__________2860_____780__ __3640
98___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3305_____450_____3755
99___19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3440_____360_____3800
100__17_____Casita_____Liberty______3140_____680__ __3820
101__19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3620_____240_____3860
102__19_____Scamp______5th Wheel____3300_____560_____3860
103__17_____Oliver_____Elite________3560_____340__ __3900
104__19_____Escape_____5.0__________3220_____680__ __3900
105__17_____Casita_____Liberty______3300_____660_____3960
106__19_____Escape_____Dual Axle____3740_____240_____3980
107__17.5___Bigfoot_________________4040_____360__ __4400
108__20_____Bigfoot____5th Wheel____3600____1060_____4660
109__20_____Bigfoot____5th Wheel____3780____1000_____4780
110__20_____Bigfoot____5th Wheel____4420_____640_____5060
111__21_____Bigfoot____Rear Bed_____5200____1160_____6360
112__25_____Bigfoot____Rear bed_____6420____1420_____7840
Frederick, that looks like a lot of work. I am sure many will find this interesting.
Curious to know why there isn't a single Park Liner listed...any thoughts?
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Frederick, that looks like a lot of work. I am sure many will find this interesting.
Curious to know why there isn't a single Park Liner listed...any thoughts?
John Vermilye has been keeping the roster updated, and there is one Parkliner listed now.
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I just ended a short camping trip with a stop at a truck stop. Used their CAT scale (certified) to get these weights.

1977 Trillium 1300, very lightly packed. Most of the camping gear was in my truck.

Other notes: No propane tank. No furnace. Group 27 battery on the tongue. Heavy awning. New lighter power center (PD4135 versus original 6911). Options include upper shelves, kitchen window, door window. Kitchen side counter (popup beside stove). Original refrigerator. Alloy rims (Ford Ranger) with 14 inch tires (including a spare).

1540 pounds total. 220 pounds tongue weight, 1320 pounds axle weight.
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I added thrifty bill's Trillium, and a year column, as well as % tongue weight (thanks Mike). For new posts, if you include the year the trailer was made, I'll include it.
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