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04-09-2007, 04:34 AM
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Trailer: Boler 13 ft / Casita FD
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Just wondering how many out there are like me and my wife and try to keep their little campers looking original.
I have made several improvements such as shelves and some 120V wiring, 12V exhaust fan, All new wiring with a battery added on tongue but other then the air conditioner, (added by previous owner) on roof our 1980 Boler 13ft.er looks original, Dull gel-coat and all.
Again how do you deal about KEEPING IT ORIGINAL?
Gerry the canoebuilder
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04-09-2007, 05:52 AM
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Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
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I see absolutely no benefit in keeping a fiberglass trailer original. Ask yourself the simple question, if you see a trailer for sale and it says "original," or "modifications"...and the list is long....which trailer do you think may have more value? I always think of Moguland when this topic comes up. A Bolar in original condition would go for far less than this trailer sold for...which I think was $7,000-8,000 on e-Bay. The rub is the modifications must be done using good techniques and quality parts.
Even now, creature comforts are few and far between when it comes from the trailer manufacturer. The only way to get a trailer unique, is to make changes. Embrace change! It ain't a Model T!
My 2 1/2 cents.
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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04-09-2007, 06:38 AM
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Trailer: 1982 Fiber Stream and 2001 Casita Spirit Deluxe (I'm down to 2!)
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Interesting question
There is more to this at least for me than any one simple answer.
I try to ask myself before diving in,how will this compliment the basic design I am going for.
Instead of doing mods each on its own I try to conceive a "Bigger Picture" where everything can look planned.
I have seen mods that just do not seem to "Fit" the trailer again at least to me.
It is a lot easier to acheive this integration the more simple I keep the mod.
Sometimes it is tempting to go crazy ripping stuff out but I always seem to make myself work that I did not forsee by doing it without a "Master Plan".
One reason I have liked the Trillium's is that the interior is non-movable for the most part and this helps steer me to mods to compliment that original design.
On the new Fiberstream I have been tempted to gut a lot of the interior just because I can but I am trying to hold back so I can develop some ideas before starting.
Keep it Simple is what I try even if it is Complicated to do.
Ed
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04-09-2007, 06:45 AM
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Trailer: Y2K6 Bigfoot 25 ft (25B25RQ) & Y2K3 Scamp 16 ft Side Dinette
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Like Donna, I think that a trailer that has late-model mods that are well done increases the value of the trailer. It shows the trailer has been well cared for, and modifications like A/C, fantastic fans, newer fridges, fixtures, etc. keep it modern and updated.
I've had Airstreams back to a 1953 Flying Cloud. The exterior looks period, but why in the world (except for museum display) would you want to keep a kerosene "Byam Burner" as your heat source when modern cats and forced air are significantly more efficient and safer? The 1953 faucet was interesting, but certainly not as elegant as what's available now, and a linoleum countertop left a GREAT deal to be desired.
I think there's always room for updating.
Roger
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04-09-2007, 07:15 AM
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Trailer: 16 ft U-Haul VT
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This is an interesting thread. I felt the need to keep our 16' UHaul in original condition, as only 200 were made. But in light of the comments (and also, we are missing the original back dinette table that was made into a permanent bed), I don't feel bad as we make it comfortable for us. It won't be really different, but if we need to change something to make it work for us, I won't feel so guilty.
CindyL
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04-09-2007, 08:58 AM
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Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
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Here's a company that specializes in taking an original Boler and turning them into works of art:
Bolerworks
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Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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04-09-2007, 09:17 AM
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Trailer: TrailManor (Gone to the Darkside)
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Different strokes for different folks...
There don't seem to be a lot of folks in the fiberglass trailer crowd that are all that into the whole "restoration" and "exactly as new" thing. I know I'm not. I used to spend a lot of time around camera collectors though and most of them are the opposite. I tended to chop them up and build new stuff out of them too. (That includes taking a hacksaw to them and making SERIOUS modifications! )
Mike
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04-09-2007, 09:32 AM
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Trailer: Trails West Campster 1970
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I think I'd feel more strongly about the exterior- for example, painting over the original logo would bother me. In part that's because most people don't know what the interior looked like originally.
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04-09-2007, 12:17 PM
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Trailer: Trillium 4500
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When it comes to changes, original isn't as important on FG trailers as in spirit with the original trailer design. I haven't seen any on Antique Roadshow yet.
I have a 1950 Cessna 140 airplane that is largely original, only radio and navigation equipment have been updated to todays standards. Keeping old electronics would reduce the utility and value of it. But, the updated equipment is what would be installed if the aircraft was manufactured today. It isn't overkill for the original mission of the plane.
The only other changes were manditory or desirable for safety on an aircraft that is 57 years old.
For changes on a 28 year old trailer, I try to restore the worn out or neglected areas and update the areas that are outmoded in todays standards. The original mission, IMHO, was to be a compact, lightweight, efficient, yet comfortable camping trailer. All the goodies out there available are not all desirable to this original mission. The goodies I'm interested in, are the options that enhance the original mission by making the trailer more efficient and comfortable for my wife and I. Lightweight and simplicity are what attracted me to these trailers and any changes I make have to pass those basic benchmarks. That is what should be kept original.
Love the fiberglass, Dave
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04-09-2007, 03:28 PM
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Trailer: 1975 13 ft Trillium
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Hay Donna...!
Y u got anuthing against Model T's???
This is our 'other'car with a non glass trailer in the background.
NO, the trailer isn't a stick trailer either, LOL but a 1965 Emperor tent trailer...
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04-09-2007, 05:24 PM
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Trailer: Bigfoot 25 ft / Dodge 3500HD 4X4 Jake Brake
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Boy, I took this “looking original” as meaning, “How do you keep the Fiberglass from LOOKING BAD, oxidizing and looking crummy.”
Yes, Fiberglass oxidizes. It must be kept protected from the air. That is usually done by keeping a Good coat of WAX on the Fiberglass after removing the oxidation by polishing.
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04-09-2007, 06:09 PM
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Trailer: 1978 Volkswagen Westfalia
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It's your trailer and you make it the way you want it. Don't worry about keeping the "original".
Because a trailer is made for everyone - that doesn't mean that it fits your particular needs 5-10-20-30 years later. If you are able to make changes that look "professional", why not?
Most times, modifications are made to make "living" in a trailer more comfortable - and I'm all for that.
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04-09-2007, 07:04 PM
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Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
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I see absolutely no benefit in keeping a fiberglass trailer original.
I always think of Moguland when this topic comes up. A Bolar in original condition would go for far less than this trailer sold for...
The rub is the modifications must be done using good techniques and quality parts.
The only way to get a trailer [b]unique, is to make changes. Embrace change! It ain't a Model T!
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What about Bardy A's GEOGRAPHIC? He couldn't go completely original with it, but he kept the spirit of the original design. Other than painting the exterior, the only modification he made was a stainless steel countertop. Otherwise, his changes were in updating unseen things, like the plumbing and the wiring.
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04-09-2007, 07:30 PM
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Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
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Just wondering how many out there are like me and my wife and try to keep their little campers looking original.
[b]Again how do you deal about KEEPING IT ORIGINAL?
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My Fiber Stream came to me nearly original, and I have not changed much, other than to deal with the deterioration. [b]I have tried to show some discipline and restraint in the modifications I have made. I have repeatedly waxed the gelcoat, rather than repaint, because I like the "Patina" of the yellowed finish. I replaced striping that significant ghosting told me this trailer had at one time. The upholstery and carpeting are still in good condition, after cleaning, and the green color is something I like. ( I may have been of a different opinion about Orange ). I removed a bunch of tacky cheap plastic stuff that the previous owner nailed up. I put the microwave in a cabinet, behind a door, so it doesn't show. The window Air Conditioner is not permenently installed, and I don't need it more than a couple of times a season.
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04-10-2007, 04:41 AM
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Trailer: Boler 13 ft / Casita FD
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Lots of goog answers to the "original" question.
I have made improvements over the past (our first year) of owning, such as all new wireing and other minor changes such as brackets for shelving in closet anda bracket to hold a 12V fan on exhast hood but when the wife saw me with a hole saw ready to install a vent fo the battery box in bottom of cubby this was too much. I explained the need and did the job with no ill effects but then after the season of wishing I had that storage space back I moved the box to the tounge of trailer and now have this 2 inch hole that is covered with a lame peice of plastic, It doesn't leak but it looks like S--t.
No one will ever see it but I know it is there and that bothers me.
I guess I can not understand why people would buy a trailer then start to cut out the front bunks to install a dinnet area and leave the bed set up full time and not just buy a camper that has this set up to begin with.
Gerry the canoebuilder
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04-10-2007, 08:32 AM
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Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
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I had that storage space back I moved the box to the tounge of trailer and now have this 2 inch hole that is covered with a lame peice of plastic, It doesn't leak but it looks like S--t.
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Is it something you could hide with an inspection hatch??? That way at least it would look like you did it on purpose Here's a link to an electrical hatch. Although a very small access door is probably what you'd want to use.
Electrical Hatch
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Donna D.
Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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04-10-2007, 09:35 AM
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It's been interesting to read peoples' comments here, as this aspect of the American psyche is one that's hard for a furriner to understand, particularly a furriner from a country as obsessed with 'old' as mine.
I was watching 'Mythbusters' last week and they were about to cut the roof out of a Studebaker Avante to make a test rig - 'gob-smacked' is our word for my reaction.
I can't see the same concern about modifying an old Scamp, as they're even still in production, not just very numerous. But I respect Frederick for not 'modernizing' his Fiber Stream.
Andrew
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04-10-2007, 06:15 PM
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Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
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Everyone has their own goals, and thus their own decision, and that's great.
One factor to keep in mind is that "modified" does not mean "improved". Before we bought our Boler we looked at another one of exactly the same model, with twice the asking price justified by a long list of modifications. All but one of the mods reduced the value of the trailer to us, not because we valued authenticity, but because they were badly done or inappropriate for our purpose. Some would be difficult to "undo", most notably the peeling and ugly paint over the original gelcoat. It would have been far better to have left the exterior alone, because now the only way to make the thing look good would be to completely strip, sand, and repaint.
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04-11-2007, 04:05 AM
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Trailer: Boler 13 ft / Casita FD
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Quote:
Is it something you could hide with an inspection hatch??? That way at least it would look like you did it on purpose Here's a link to an electrical hatch. Although a very small access door is probably what you'd want to use.
Electrical Hatch
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The Electrical hole was drilled in the floor of the camper so as I said not visible from outside but only when one looks in the cubby and can see a round, cut piece of plastic with silicone ozzed out from the bottom but as I said I and 'MY WIFE" knows it there, all for no reason "now" as she says.
You gotta understand that my hypercondriack wife is so affraid of hurting the structual staingh of the camper there was to be no holes put into it...She doesn't see the air-conditioner on the roof as a problem because it was in when we got the trailer last year.
Maybe that is just a reflection of her idea of my ability to do the work.
I also agree with Brian and if somebody wants something they should do it but I think if when I went to buy my 13ft Boler last year, and the dining area was made into a permanent bed I would have walked away and kept on looking.
I like the versatility.
Gerry
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04-11-2007, 09:01 PM
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Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
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The more I thought about this topic, the more I remembered what I had read once about The Smithsonian Institution and it's interest in Levittown, New York.
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As the first and one of the largest mass-produced suburbs, Levittown quickly became a symbol of postwar suburbia, for good and for bad. Although Levittown provided affordable houses in what many residents felt to be a congenial community, critics damned its homogeneity, blandness, and racial exclusivity (the initial lease prohibited rental to non-whites). Today, "Levittown" is used as a term of derogation to describe overly-sanitized suburbs consisting largely of tract housing. Oddly enough, although Levittown is remembered largely for its homogeneity and conformism, the houses of Levittown have by now been [b]so thoroughly expanded and modified by their owners that their original architectural form can be quite difficult to see.
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The museum went looking for an original, unmodified house to buy for their collection, and had a difficult time finding one.
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