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Old 07-01-2019, 07:22 PM   #41
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"Meanwhile, I guess I'll just keep working on that molded fiberglass, collapsible pop-top, Bowlus Road Chief-inspired travel trailer design... "

Now that's a great idea. Keep the center of gravity low and make wind resistance a non-factor. Make it 23"-25" and it could be real comfy.

Seriously I think the Escape 21 or 5.0 could work for me. Although I love the Bigfoots they are a thousand pounds heavier than the Escape. I've been looking at that Classic 5.0 for sale over on the Escape forum so we'll see. I did just install a 5th wheel hitch prior to heading for Maple Ridge BC last week so maybe there is some kind of Karma going on.
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What's the difference between 16' and 17' Casita's

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...Meanwhile, I guess I'll just keep working on that molded fiberglass, collapsible pop-top, Bowlus Road Chief-inspired travel trailer design...
Sign me up!... but only if I can tow it with a Mini Cooper.

EDIT- Just looked at the Meerkat for another thread and saw the improvements they’ve made to the interior. They may have beat you to the punch.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:45 PM   #43
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Dave, the main reason the Oxygen bed didn't work was with the kitchen on one side and the bathroom on the other the opening to the bed was less than 2 feet wide. With the gel mattress topper, although comfortable, you tended to sink and there was nothing to grab onto to pull yourself out lol. Not a lot of room for maneuvering. I think if we were young and skinny and frisky it would have been fine. But two old folks heading for the bathroom in the middle of the night not so much.
Our 2018 Casita Independence Dlx 17' has two twin beds in the rear..31"X83" separated by the center aisle. WE put 3" memory foam on top of each, and they are very comfortable, plus...WE can easily get up to use the bathroom at night w/o waking each other.
Downside is no real "dinette" but we do not often eat inside anyways. There are two table tops w stansions wh can be used, but we hardly ever do and do not even pack along both. One time our grown daughter camped w us and we packed both table tops [so we could make a full King size rear bed for the 3 of us]
If you get a "16'" you do not get a bath or closet in front, but CAN get bunks in front..we choose the Indy Dlx 17' for its 6'2" headroom + a full bathroom + closet since there are only 2 of us.
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Sign me up!... but only if I can tow it with a Mini Cooper.

EDIT- Just looked at the Meerkat for another thread and saw the improvements they’ve made to the interior. They may have beat you to the punch.
I just bought the Hymer Touring GT because of the King bed in the back and the POP TOP that Civil Guy referred to lol. If the Hymer doesn't work out it will be Civil Guys fault for bringing it up .
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I just bought the Hymer Touring GT because of the King bed in the back and the POP TOP that Civil Guy referred to lol. If the Hymer doesn't work out it will be Civil Guys fault for bringing it up .
Okay Steve, I can take that one on my broad shoulders.

But just to be clear here, let the record show that I wasn't the one responsible for the Trillium, the Scamp, the Bigfoot, Boler or Oxygen, right?

Also, just in case the Hymer doesn't work out, one of my other ideas is to tow a smaller trailer with a van, letting the van serve the bedroom functions.

I hope you've got a healthy budget there, 'cause I just keep coming up with great ideas practically every day!
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Old 07-04-2019, 07:19 PM   #46
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Okay Steve, I can take that one on my broad shoulders.

But just to be clear here, let the record show that I wasn't the one responsible for the Trillium, the Scamp, the Bigfoot, Boler or Oxygen, right?

Also, just in case the Hymer doesn't work out, one of my other ideas is to tow a smaller trailer with a van, letting the van serve the bedroom functions.

I hope you've got a healthy budget there, 'cause I just keep coming up with great ideas practically every day!
Funny you should bring this up. I just did a trip where I had a tiny popup camper mounted on my Chevy Colorado. Behind it I towed my tiny Oxygen. All was great through California but when I hit Bullards Beach a gung ho park ranger called me out of my trailer (the kids hadn't even followed us as we were heading home). In no uncertain terms he told me I had two choices #1 was to pay for a second spot as they only allow one sleeping vehicle per campsite or #2 I could leave. What an absolute jerk. I did pay for a 2nd unused spot for that night left and cancelled my reservation for the fiberglass gathering at Bullards this summer. I'll never be back. I did contact Oregon Parks Dept but they are like talking to a wall.
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If you get a "16'" you do not get a bath or closet in front, but CAN get bunks in front
you're half right fred. with the 16'er you can get a bath and closet in front or you can get bunks, but...not both.

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...with the 16'er you can get a bath and closet in front or you can get bunks, but...not both.
... same for the 17’er. Both lengths are available in standard (no bath, front sofa/bunks) and deluxe (front bath & closet) versions.

Exception is the Independence twin bed layout, which is only available as a 17’ deluxe.
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Funny you should bring this up. I just did a trip where I had a tiny popup camper mounted on my Chevy Colorado. Behind it I towed my tiny Oxygen. All was great through California but when I hit Bullards Beach a gung ho park ranger called me out of my trailer (the kids hadn't even followed us as we were heading home). In no uncertain terms he told me I had two choices #1 was to pay for a second spot as they only allow one sleeping vehicle per campsite or #2 I could leave. What an absolute jerk. I did pay for a 2nd unused spot for that night left and cancelled my reservation for the fiberglass gathering at Bullards this summer. I'll never be back. I did contact Oregon Parks Dept but they are like talking to a wall.
That is troubling. At Washington State Parks, you don't have to pay for a second "vehicle" which is towed. Additional vehicles at a site are $10 a night. In Yosemite, they allow you to sleep in a car in a site where you are registered, but not alongside the road or at the walk-in campground. That all makes sense. But, I was not aware of a practice of limiting a space to one "sleeping" vehicle in Oregon.

Oregon's State Parks FAQs page says:
How many vehicles can I bring? How many people can stay at my campsite?
Usually, a maximum of eight campers are allowed per site. Some sites permit only 6 people per site. Yurts and cabins hold five to eight people, depending on the location. The park manager has the final say.

Some campgrounds allow extra vehicles at each campsite. Some allow extra vehicle parking only in overflow areas. Check with campground staff before you park an extra vehicle at your site—a $7 extra vehicle fee for campers may apply . What's an extra vehicle? In addition to the car or RV you drive into the park, you may tow one additional car or truck at no charge. If you drive an additional vehicle, the $7 fee kicks in.

In contrast, Bullard's Beach FAQs state that sites are limited to one RV:
How many extra vehicles can I have in my campsite?
One primary motorized vehicle is included in the camping fee for each site. Campers may have up to one additional vehicle in each site provided that the vehicle pays a $7.00 per night extra vehicle fee and vehicles are parked on a paved surface. Only 1 RV is allowed per spot. Extra vehicle parking is limited in the campground and there is no overnight overflow parking.

I've generally had a high regard for Oregon State Parks. The work campers I have spoken with there also seem to share a high regard for Oregon's system. And, I can see where perhaps they might not want a park to be overly crowded with multiple RVs on sites, but the semantics could get interesting.

You had a small popup camper. Presumably you only had one of your two "RVs" occupied. In my earlier post, I was picturing a van with a bed, with the trailer essentially serving the kitchen, bath, and lounging / dining functions. With no slides or equipment beyond a bed, could a van be deemed an RV? Is a trailer with no bed an RV? What about a truck with a bed under a shell? What makes an RV an RV? If you only had a couple of people on the site, it does sound like the ranger might have applied more discretion in evaluating the situation and making a decision.
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"You had a small popup camper. Presumably you only had one of your two "RVs" occupied. In my earlier post, I was picturing a van with a bed, with the trailer essentially serving the kitchen, bath, and lounging / dining functions. With no slides or equipment beyond a bed, could a van be deemed an RV? Is a trailer with no bed an RV? What about a truck with a bed under a shell? What makes an RV an RV? If you only had a couple of people on the site, it does sound like the ranger might have applied more discretion in evaluating the situation and making a decision."

I went around the park and took pictures of trailers being pulled by vans and trailers being pulled by trucks with canopies. I also saw a 40 foot motorhome with 2 AC's on top which also had a tent set up on their site. It was absolutely ridicules. That evening/night I had to worry about people messing with my truck and camper in its site all alone and since there was no vehicle in my site people were constantly coming up and looking at my Bonair Oxygen thinking no one was there. I did not feel secure in the situation at all. It's a shame as that was probably the 10th time I had stayed at Bullard's through the years not to mention the park was at least 25% vacant.
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It's truly a shame that a 40 ft RV with 2 air conditioners/heat strips, multiple TV's and up to 8 campers can occupy a site and be allowed to set up a tent while I show up with my wife in a fiberglass trailer with no AC, no electric appliances, no TV, LED lights, and the only resources we used was electricity for lights and charging our batteries. I did have the top popped up on the camper to let it dry out because we had the grandkids the previous night in a rainstorm in the Redwoods. I offered to close it up but to no avail. I'm done with Bullard's Beach state park.
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What's the difference between 16' and 17' Casita's

It’s a case of unintended consequences of rules meant to address an entirely different scenario. Our favorite SoCal beach has a one motorized vehicle and one towed vehicle rule. People show up in a 35’ motor home pulling a 25’ travel trailer. Pretty sure that’s what they’re trying to prevent.

Unfortunately, once in place, rules gain a life of their own.
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