When Price of GAS get to high?

[jgilliam1955]

Years ago I watched a speech Obama gave stating "We have to make electricity expensive to get people to change." He said, "You can build a coal plant but we will bankrupt you trying to run it."
The price of gas will not be going down but up because of going green. At what point price do you change your lifestyle?
We are thinking about spending next summer going to Alaska from Virginia. I will have to if I can afford it.
Last time the price was close to $5 a gallon, I read some RV'er were paying $1 per mile to drive.

[AC0GV]

Originally Posted by jgilliam1955

At what point price do you change your lifestyle?

I recall in the 1970s when gas started to go up I made “one last trip” to South Dakota. Now 50 years later I have been to all 48 of the lower states part of Canada and across the border to Mexico and back to South Dakota many times. I may not make any more long trips again but I will continue to travel. I’m already planning for 2022, but I will be staying here in the Midwest.

[slowpat]

Gas prices have been going down here in Warshington. They've dropped from $3.84 to 3.64 since September.

If giving up my trailer will make it better for the next generations of kids, so be it. I'm waiting to see what's going to happen.

[ShelbyM]

Originally Posted by jgilliam1955

Years ago I watched a speech Obama gave stating "We have to make electricity expensive to get people to change." He said, "You can build a coal plant but we will bankrupt you trying to run it."
The price of gas will not be going down but up because of going green. At what point price do you change your lifestyle?
We are thinking about spending next summer going to Alaska from Virginia. I will have to if I can afford it.
Last time the price was close to $5 a gallon, I read some RV'er were paying $1 per mile to drive.

You sure you got the "quote" right? Nevertheless, maybe consider the Ford PowerBoost F150. In addition to the hybrid fuel economy you get a cool onboard 7.2 kW Lithium battery pack!

[IMEd]

Want gas prices to come down? Talk to OPEC+ about not restricting the supply. Talk to Exxon and others about not restricting the supply.
High oil prices mean high profits. Those that control the supply have no incentive to do anything that lowers the price of oil.

High prices are here to stay for the current travel season.
Those that can manage the higher prices will continue to enjoy their extensive travels. Others may travel locally until prices come down.

[AlanKilian]

Gas prices are significantly LOWER than they have been in the recent past.

Ref: https://inflationdata.com/articles/i...soline-prices/

[Donna D.]

Yeah, too bad income isn't adjusted for inflation as often as fuel prices fluctuate.

[Jon in AZ]

Originally Posted by AlanKilian

Gas prices are significantly LOWER than they have been in the recent past.

Ref: https://inflationdata.com/articles/i...soline-prices/

Not any more they aren't. The chart ends in 2020 during the pandemic. The current US national average of $3.42/gal. puts it significantly above the long-term, inflation-adjusted average. So yes, the present pain is real, especially for those on limited incomes. But the chart also shows the spikes have been generally of limited duration.

It's too soon to say how the current move toward electrification of transportation will affect the long-term trend line. At least for now, and at least for people of average means, "buy electric" feels like the proverbial "let them eat cake."

But I think the actual impact on RVing is minimal at this point. Most RVers can weather a spike in gas prices with modest lifestyle changes: shorter trips, perhaps, postponing that RV upgrade, forgoing a few other luxuries. Tighten your belt a notch and move on.

[Donna D.]

Everyone seems to forget what happened to fuel prices in 2008. The station I patronize hit $4.27. Today, that same station is $3.45. Big difference for me is I was commuting to work in 2008 and drove a fuel hog Ford F-150 Triton V-8. Today I'm retired and drive a Ford ecoboost. Last time I bought fuel was six weeks ago....

[slowpat]

I've gone partially electric. I pedal an ebike around town to do stuff. The downside is that now the weather is not going to be enjoyable and I don't bike in the snow.

When the weather is good, I find myself taking longer routes to get to places because I enjoy riding. I can turn a 4 mile round trip into a 14 mile trip to the grocery.

[floyd]

Originally Posted by IMEd

Want gas prices to come down? Talk to OPEC+ about not restricting the supply. Talk to Exxon and others about not restricting the supply.
High oil prices mean high profits. Those that control the supply have no incentive to do anything that lowers the price of oil.

High prices are here to stay for the current travel season.
Those that can manage the higher prices will continue to enjoy their extensive travels. Others may travel locally until prices come down.

Did you just ignore the supply shutdowns which our present administration initiated on day one?

Due to American productivity, gasoline was $1.89 in January 2021 (the day before the inauguration) and had been hovering around the $2.00 mark with normal seasonal fluctuation for years prior.
Policy is the cause of the present high energy prices.

Just try and stay warm this winter, cause it ain't just gasoline.


Still most folks are too busy with daily life to pay attention to what's actually happening, so much so, that civil responsibility has been reduced to blind subjugation.

[floyd]

Originally Posted by slowpat

I've gone partially electric. I pedal an ebike around town to do stuff. The downside is that now the weather is not going to be enjoyable and I don't bike in the snow.

When the weather is good, I find myself taking longer routes to get to places because I enjoy riding. I can turn a 4 mile round trip into a 14 mile trip to the grocery.

I ride too, and enjoy it, no E-Bike yet for me, but I can sure see the temptation!

[slowpat]

Originally Posted by floyd

Did you just ignore the supply shutdowns which our present administration initiated on day one?

Due to American productivity, gasoline was $1.89 in January 2021 (the day before the inauguration) and had been hovering around that number with normal seasonal fluctuation for years prior.
Policy is the cause of the high energy prices.

Just try and stay warm this winter, cause it ain't just gasoline.


Still most folks are too busy with daily life to pay attention to what's actually happening, so much so, that civil responsibility has been reduced to blind subjugation.

No, some of us have taken action on our own. I moved into a town. I no longer have to drive for two hours in order to get needful things. As I stated before, I can get around on a bicycle or ...... walk to run errands or get groceries. My house is electric from hydro, and our power comes from a "socialist" power company, the Public Utility District. I have found that PUDs are more local and perform more maintenance than profit driven companies.

You can take steps if you really want to. Most people don't seem to want to change. I think of it as an adventure.

[slowpat]

Originally Posted by floyd

I ride too, and enjoy it, no E-Bike yet for me, but I can sure see the temptation!

I have a terribly steep hill up to my house and also live in the mountains. I don't have the ooomph to ride up the hills without a bit of help anymore.

[floyd]

Originally Posted by slowpat

I have a terribly steep hill up to my house and also live in the mountains. I don't have the ooomph to ride up the hills without a bit of help anymore.

I hear ya!
I'm soon 70 and I can feel my ooomph fading as well, I just bought an FX Carbon 4 Trek, but not sure what's next.

[floyd]

Originally Posted by slowpat

No, some of us have taken action on our own. I moved into a town. I no longer have to drive for two hours in order to get needful things. As I stated before, I can get around on a bicycle or ...... walk to run errands or get groceries. My house is electric from hydro, and our power comes from a "socialist" power company, the Public Utility District. I have found that PUDs are more local and perform more maintenance than profit driven companies.

You can take steps if you really want to. Most people don't seem to want to change. I think of it as an adventure.

I already live in town, and no longer drive for work. I get my power from wind, natural gas, coal, and nuclear and a small amount of solar.
Conservation is done by reducing usage.

At the present rate of inflation, even the trips to the nearby grocery store will have to be less frequent. We may need to conserve calories!(not to mention the increased CO2 from breathing heavily)!

I do have some wonderful "legacy" homemade quilts to help stave off the cold and several old books to read (during the daytime of course).
Like Kipling, Orwell, and the KJB.
Television is certainly getting "progressively" more of a waste of energy anyway.

I just hope that we can all sacrifice as much as our "leaders" are, to save the world!

[Donna D.]

Someone needs to change their television station. I'd say who, but we're already hovering close to being too political in the last part of this thread... or a post or two.

If you need to blame anyone for high fuel prices, blame Wall Street. Oil and gas companies are focused on returning cash to shareholders which wasn't happening earlier in the pandemic.

Greed can never, ever be satisfied.

[jgilliam1955]

Originally Posted by IMEd

Want gas prices to come down? Talk to OPEC+ about not restricting the supply. Talk to Exxon and others about not restricting the supply.
High oil prices mean high profits. Those that control the supply have no incentive to do anything that lowers the price of oil.

High prices are here to stay for the current travel season.
Those that can manage the higher prices will continue to enjoy their extensive travels. Others may travel locally until prices come down.

Biden shutting down production has caused this. How do you force people to buy electric cars if you still have gas?
We were not importing any oil in 2019. We were exporting it.

[AlanKilian]

Well, back on gas prices, here's another chart from that site that shows the TREND is downwards in gas prices even if occasionally we divert from that trend.

Also, IMHO gas prices need to be higher (as they are in nearly every other country) to force companies into making more fuel-efficient vehicles. For-profit companies will not do this themselves and customers do not choose fuel efficiency over HP, so unfortunately, the govmint' needs to be driver of change.

Knowing what we do now about the environmental and health costs of burning fuel I'm baffled as to why gas is not ten times what it was in 1918.

Also, I just bought an ICE engine car because electrics are not where I need them to be for my use and I didn't get the most fuel efficient one I could have, so I'm not perfect in this race either.

[jerrybob]

We sure do like to complain about things we have no control over......go camping.....take shorter trips.....enjoy life......one thing is for sure....we're all gonna eventually die......fill up the tank....hook up the trailer.....go have some fun!