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05-30-2006, 04:00 PM
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Junior Member
Trailer: 87 13 ft Scamp
Posts: 20
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So over the weekend -- when others were out camping, I was home cleaning and getting ready for other trips. Since I got the S13 a couple of weeks ago, i've been learning. Over the weekend I got the fridge to work on AC, and Gas -- Very cool. I didn't try running it on the 12V b/c i knew this batt. was quite dead. When it was plugged into the 110v house outlet I never noticed the 12V chaging. So I've had it on a batt. charger over-night and most of today 2amp sitting so not to heat things up too much. The 12V now has a much better charge, however, the gage on the charger says it is still taking a change.
At this low setting how long do you think it will take for a complete charge?
Is this the best way to charge the 12V battery?
How long will this charge last given a "typical" use? a weekend? 1 day?
Thanks for you thoughts in advance...
-steve
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05-30-2006, 04:15 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2002 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 3,640
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It is best to have an automatic charger, one that will step down and turn off when the battery is fully charged. If it is an old battery, it would be best to desulfate it. Some of the new chargers have this feature built in. (Vector) at JC Whitney carries them www.jcw.com
At 2 amps I would charge it for 2 to 3 days. You may get some scientific answers however over the past 50 years 2 to 3 days on 2 amp charged my batteries without damaging them, science or not. Make sure the battery is full of water. I have gone so far as to pry the sealed top open on a sealed battery to fill it with distilled water then glued the top back on. That worked quite well and is still in the antique car and that battery is 10 years old.
An old-fashioned battery hydrometer that sells for $5 to $10 at an auto parts store is the best way to check each cell of the battery to insure it is fully charged or gone bad.
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06-07-2006, 10:18 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1994 20 ft Bigfoot 5th Wheel / Toyota Tacoma SR5
Posts: 229
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I have recently added a new converter to my electrical circuit that has a Wizard smart charger in it. See the thread under Mods. Now I can take a dead battery to full charge in just a few hours and then it lowers the charge rate so as not to boil out the water.
Paul
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06-07-2006, 11:06 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 3,072
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If you have an 80 amp-hour battery and discharge it 50% (not recommended for long battery life), you have to replace 40 -- At a 2 ah rate, that should take about 20 hours.
Car and Deep Cycle Battery FAQ
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06-08-2006, 07:51 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2007 Casita Liberty Deluxe 17 ft / Honda Odyssey
Posts: 705
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Great source of battery info Pete!
" For batteries not in weekly use, people kill more deep cycle and starting batteries with bad charging practices than die of old age. To prevent permanent sulfation and especially in hot weather, in a well ventilated area, keep the battery continuously connected to a "smart" or float charger matched to the battery type; recharge the battery whenever it drops below 80% State-of-Charge (SoC); or use AGM (Ca/Ca) or Gel Cell (Ca/Ca) VRLA battery. A cheap, unattended, unregulated "trickle" charger can destroy a battery by overcharging it. (Please see Section 9. for more information on charging and chargers.)"
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06-08-2006, 07:16 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1985 17 ft Burro
Posts: 135
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Quote:
Great source of battery info Pete!
" [i]To prevent permanent sulfation and especially in [b]hot weather, in a well ventilated area, keep the battery continuously connected to a "smart" or float charger matched to the battery type; recharge the battery whenever it drops below 80% State-of-Charge (SoC); or use AGM (Ca/Ca) or Gel Cell (Ca/Ca) VRLA battery"
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Can a smart charger (i.e., Charge Wizard) be used on an AGM or Gel Cell?
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06-09-2006, 05:11 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1989 Casita Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 2,055
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Quote:
Can a smart charger (i.e., Charge Wizard) be used on an AGM or Gel Cell?
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YES! It was mainly because I was going to an AGM that I upgraded my converter to a PD 9145 with charge wizard. I've had them for a couple of years now and am very please with the combination.
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06-10-2006, 09:20 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 3,072
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Whether a particular brand and model of smart charger can charge different kinds of batteries depends on the design of the charger (some batteries charge at different rates and voltages than others, and some may be more sensitive to higher voltages) -- Best to do a careful reading of the charger instructions.
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09-16-2006, 09:07 AM
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Member
Trailer: 2005 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 88
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Well, now I'm in a panic! We have an RV/deep marine battery new last year. We don't often boon-dock. We plug our trailer into our house when we get home and before trips. I just can't understand all the good advice on the linked web-site. Can anyone tell me if we're completely ruining our battery? Please tell me in grade school English! It's sealed and we can't check out the levels.
Thanks for any help.
Christine
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09-16-2006, 01:42 PM
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Moderator
Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
Posts: 8,222
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Quote:
Well, now I'm in a panic! We have an RV/deep marine battery new last year. We don't often boon-dock. [b]We plug our trailer into our house when we get home and before trips. I just can't understand all the good advice on the linked web-site. Can anyone tell me if we're completely ruining our battery? Please tell me in grade school English! It's sealed and we can't check out the levels.
Thanks for any help.
Christine
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If you don't have your trailer continuously plugged in, you may be OK.
I had boiled my first new battery bone dry, [b]killing it after only 3 months, by keeping the trailer plugged in to shore power, and both circuit breakers on 24/7/365.
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09-17-2006, 08:51 AM
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Member
Trailer: 2005 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 88
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Thanks Frederick, that's reassuring
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09-17-2006, 03:18 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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Christine, for those of us not familiar with the details of 1988 Scamp equipment, can you tell us what make and model of converter is in the trailer? Specific models have different characteristics, which will determine whether your pattern of use is appropriate - it may be just fine. Whatever it says on the label on the electrical box will probably be useful information.
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09-17-2006, 04:15 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 3,072
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The converter that was standard in my 1991 Scamp 13' was NOT smart, and it's very unlikely that the original converter in an '88 was smart.
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09-17-2006, 07:23 PM
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Member
Trailer: 2005 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 88
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We have a "20amp Power Converter and Charger" BW manufacture.
Not sure of the model.
Christine
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09-18-2006, 12:51 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Posts: 5,002
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A post in Trailer Life Magazine's Open Roads Forum suggested that BW Manufacturing became MagneTek then Parallax, so that's the series of hardware. That post gives substantial technical detail, but I have no way to know if it is accurate, or if it really applies to Christine's unit.
The converter in my Boler does not include a charger, so I know that I can't hurt the battery with it by overcharging . The optional charger (which I don't have) is apparently a primitive unit which does risk overcharging if left connected, so instead I charge with a state-of-the-art Vector brand charger, and also have a float-type maintainer, both of which are safe for me to hook up and forget (not that I would forget... very often )
In contrast, the description "Power Converter and Charger" means that Chistine's unit does include a charger, so it's not in the simple-but-safe category; the remaining question is how " smart" is the charger, and for that a model number would lead to the right document from Parallax - or you can just assume that it might not handle maintenance charging well, and avoid leaving the converter/charger on for very long periods.
I have yet to see a truly sealed flooded-cell battery, and unless you paid a big premium, you have a normal flooded-cell battery, not a gell-cell or AGM. The caps are still there, and can still be removed (to check fluid level) by prying with something like a screwdriver, after carefully cleaning any junk from around them to avoid contamination.
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09-19-2006, 09:38 AM
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Member
Trailer: 2005 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 88
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Thanks Brian, we did indeed get the lid off and check the cells which were fine. Most re-assuring. I'll see if I can get the model#
Christine
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09-19-2006, 03:15 PM
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#17
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2002 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel
Posts: 3,640
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Go to wallyworld and purchase a bettery hydrometer (Less than $10 US) and check each cell. You may have a dead or marginal cell.
If Wally does not have one, go to Advance Auto.
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