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04-21-2017, 10:01 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,951
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No competent shop installs lug nuts with an air wrench. If yours does, find another shop.
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04-21-2017, 10:14 AM
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#62
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Senior Member
Name: bob
Trailer: 1996 Casita 17 Spirit Deluxe; 1946 Modernistic teardrop
New York
Posts: 5,415
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon in AZ
No competent shop installs lug nuts with an air wrench. If yours does, find another shop.
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usually the best you can find is one that uses an air wrench with a torque stick. Time is money, so who's going to turn the nuts on by hand and then use a torque wrench. Something we can do ourselves, which I do, but doubt you'll find a shop that will. When I buy tires I pull the wheels off whatever, take them to the tire store, get the new tires mounted and balanced, bring them home and install them myself. My air wrenches have adjustable settings for torque but no way to tell what those settings are.
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04-21-2017, 10:31 AM
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#63
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Senior Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: 2018, 21ft escape— 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie
NW Wisconsin
Posts: 4,500
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I was having problems with the wheel studs rusting.
I called Dexter and was told not to use anti seize , grease or oil on the studs . They told me to remove the lug nuts , clean the stud threads / nuts to remove the rust / dirt , put the nuts back on DRY , torgue , and coat the exposed threads with WD 40.
I am not saying this is correct , but only what I was told.
So far I have not experienced any problems but that may be just dumb luck or pure coincidence.
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04-21-2017, 10:59 AM
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Senior Member
Name: BARNEY
Trailer: CASITA
Georgia
Posts: 125
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Remember, you have to get them off, should the need occur!! Most tire shops use air tools which can tighten them beyond my ability to get then off. Your wt. On a 16" 4way lug wrench should be enough. Just say. Wrench is 1.33 ft. Long x 50#(your wt.) = 66.6 ft/# of torque.
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04-21-2017, 02:40 PM
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#65
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2015 Escape 5.0TA
Florida
Posts: 1,693
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspy
I know that the nuts are supposed to be installed dry, but I always add a touch of grease or drop of oil to the threads. This ensures that the nut will come back off with the tools I carry. The problem is that the 100 ft lbs of torque is too much for greased threads on 1/2" lugs.
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Putting oil or grease on the wheel studs drastically alters the torque applied to the lug nut. It would be a much better practice to torque them to correct specification first, then apply a product such as Gibbs Mega-Penetrant/Lubricant. Best of both worlds: properly torqued and shouldn't seize up, especially if you apply the Mega-Penetrant once or twice a year.
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04-21-2017, 04:22 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,889
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CPE,
Thats why I said I know they are supposed to be installed dry. But the majority of the friction that locks the nuts is in the taper. I'm not recommening the practice to others, just reportong what works for me. Never had a problem getting them off or having them come loose.
The use of cap nuts is even better than applying oil after the nuts are on. That keeps the weather off the threads.
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04-21-2017, 08:43 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Romas
I'm the only one that touches the lug bolts on my trailer.
Last set of tires and wheels I even mounted them myself then had TD balance them when they rotated the tires on my truck.
And yes I take a torque wrench when I take the trailer.
Years ago I bought tires for a car I owned.
when I went to replace brake pads I could not get the bolts off. Took it back to where I got the tires and their impact wrench wouldn't take them off.
It took a breaker bar with a pipe over it to get them loose.
From then on I used the "trust but verify" theory and re torque lug bolts myself at home. TD (Tire Discounters) use extensions on their impact wrenches that almost makes it almost impossible to over torque.
https://www.amazon.com/Anytime-Tools.../dp/B00LZ1DJ4C
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The extensions you refer to are usually torque limiting extensions, they are color coded and designed to limit torque to a specific number.
https://mobiledistributorsupply.com/...YMDaQod1S4Meg#
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04-21-2017, 10:26 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Michael
Trailer: Trail Cruiser
Alberta
Posts: 825
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I mount my own tires on my rims, inflate them and have the tire store balance them. Then i install them with my own impact gun set to 90 ft/lb. Then I torque them to 100 ft/lb of torque with my torque wrench. Then I put on the hub cap to keep the studs clean. I replace my trailer tires when the tread depth wears to 50" of original. I carry a 36" 3/4 drive breaker bar should I need to remove a tire.
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04-21-2017, 10:30 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,889
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Yikes! A 36" 3/4 drive breaker bar! Just what are you expecting?
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04-21-2017, 11:11 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Michael
Trailer: Trail Cruiser
Alberta
Posts: 825
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Raspy, A few years back I had Firestone install a new tire on my truck. The next day I was 100km into the back country and the tire blew up, just came apart. There was nothing in the box, no weight at all. Firestone had torqued the wheel nuts. I tried to change the tire with the OEM wheel wrench. It was so tight that the OEM wrench split. It was hours before another vehicle came along.
Firestone refused to warranty the tire AFTER ONLY ONE DAY.
I made two decisions. I will NEVER again buy a Firestone tire under any circumstances. I always carry a 36" 3/4" drive breaker bar and deep impact socket when I go into the back country. Either the wheel nut comes off or the lug will twist off!
I also have a story about lug nuts twisting off but not now.
Cheers!
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04-21-2017, 11:23 PM
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#71
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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I had to change a tire on my Jeep Cherokee Chief back around 1974.
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04-23-2017, 02:52 PM
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#72
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon in AZ
No competent shop installs lug nuts with an air wrench. If yours does, find another shop.
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I never heard of a tire shop which demands that you drive 50 miles away then turn around and drive back to get them retorqued.
Find another shop?
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04-23-2017, 03:38 PM
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#73
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 721
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_L
Raspy, A few years back I had Firestone [snip]
Firestone had torqued the wheel nuts. I tried to change the tire with the OEM wheel wrench. It was so tight that the OEM wrench split. It was hours before another vehicle came along.
Firestone refused to warranty the tire [snip
I will NEVER again buy a Firestone tire under any circumstances.
Cheers!
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A few years back I had a great uncle tell me about his brother, another great uncle, who just replaced his ball joints and went to Firestone for an alignment special and they told him he needed new ball joints
My great uncle had just replaced his ball joints and went to the same Firestone for the alignment special too. Same story, he needed new ball joints
What did he expect, they were both first generation Italians
Being third generation I learned from my elders and don't go to firestone
I do as much as I can and if I screw it up it's my fault
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04-23-2017, 04:13 PM
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#74
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp 16 ft Side Dinette
Posts: 1,279
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Quote:
Originally Posted by floyd
I never heard of a tire shop which demands that you drive 50 miles away then turn around and drive back to get them retorqued.
Find another shop?
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If you have alloy wheels, like on your TV, they recommend a retorque after 50 mikes or so. The softer metal under the nuts can deform.
A proper torque job is done by gradually bringing them up to spec. without going over. That's why I like a torque wrench with a click feel.
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04-23-2017, 06:34 PM
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#75
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2004 13 ft Scamp Custom Deluxe
Posts: 8,520
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Collins
If you have alloy wheels, like on your TV, they recommend a retorque after 50 mikes or so. The softer metal under the nuts can deform.
A proper torque job is done by gradually bringing them up to spec. without going over. That's why I like a torque wrench with a click feel.
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OK so 25 miles
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