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Old 01-30-2025, 06:14 PM   #1
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Hot water light doesn't stay on

Dear Forum,

My light goes on for 2 seconds (maybe) then goes off.

I believe it used to stay on.

The hot water heater works otherwise (as in it doesn't shut off when light goes off)

Let me know if you have any suggestions..

Trailer is BigFoot 2007 17 gaucho.

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Old 01-31-2025, 10:03 AM   #2
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If you are describing the light when running on propane, the light should only stay on during the start up process, then go off when the water heater is running. It should only stay on if there is a fault.
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Old 01-31-2025, 10:52 AM   #3
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I thought it would stay on to let you know it's "ON" so you don't forget to turn it off when you don't need it, but looks like my recollection was incorrect.

Thanks for your response.
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Old 01-31-2025, 11:37 AM   #4
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I thought it would stay on to let you know it's "ON" so you don't forget to turn it off when you don't need it, but looks like my recollection was incorrect.

Thanks for your response.
The hot water switch in our 2016 25RQ stays on all the time to let you know to turn it off when not needed.

Food for thought,

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Old 02-01-2025, 09:05 AM   #5
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Our 1988 Bigfoot has the water heater light ON only while igniting the propane. Then the light goes off.
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Old 02-01-2025, 11:17 PM   #6
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yeah, mine does the same thing, light comes on til the propane fires, then the light goes out. I think the switch says Suburban.
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Old 02-02-2025, 07:51 AM   #7
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Yeah, as Jon stated, the light, (while functioning as it should,) only stays on during the light-up stage. If everything is normal, the light will go out once the system is ignited. This is normal. If you want a full-time indication of when the water heater is on in the "propane mode," it isn't hard to make that happen either. Just buy a cheap 12 VDC LED and install it across the positive (Red) and ground (Green) terminals on the back of the propane control switch. It will stay lit all the time while the power is on to the propane operation.

While I was at it, I also added a remote ON/OFF switch with visual indication, (via a pilot light,) for the electrical 120 VAC shore power heating element, (while hooked up to 120 VAC shore power,) as well, when I moved my control switch to inside my trailer, and I no longer have to go outside to turn the electrical switch on the WH on/off. I just leave the outside little breaker on the WH on all the time and control it from inside now.) I do it all from the comfort of being in the trailer, and I know at a glance if the electric element is energized or off.

The gas switch add-on LED hooks up on the green ground wire and the positive end hooks across the red terminal. You'll need a couple of "piggy-back" spade connectors, (readily available at any auto parts store,) to put on the back of the switch to attach the two leads from the LED, along with a couple of male spade connectors for the LED wires.

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Adding an interior water heater control switch, (For the 120 VAC electrical heating element.)

Instructions for Installing a Remote HWH 120 vac Switch, for turning the electrical element in the HWH on/off from inside the trailer).
You need:

A 3 terminal single pole pilot light switch (it has 2 brass screw and 1 silver screw terminals.) Leviton makes one with a switch on top and a red pilot light on the bottom that fits a single electrical rectangular box (see pic below). You can find them at any "big box" store.

* A rectangular single electrical box, specifically designated "for use in old, or existing construction". This model will have a swing-out wing on each side with a screw in each to draw the box up tight to the backside of the bulkhead for mounting.

* A saw, or other cutting device necessary to cut a hole to mount the box, (again, wherever you choose to locate it.) I personally prefer using a Roto-Zip for this, but a drill for pilot holes and a jigsaw with a fine blade will work. If you use a jigsaw, applying some masking tape around the outside edge will help protect the fiberglass or wood damage caused by the vibration when cutting.

* 12/3 w/Ground Romex wire, which will have a Black, White and a Red insulated wire, as well as a bare ground conductor. Allow yourself enough wire to adequately reach your intended location, (wherever you decide to locate it inside your trailer,) and enough extra to carefully route it around the perimeter of any cabinets. I would recommend following and attaching it with zip-ties to the existing wiring bundle running through the trailer to the extent possible. I mounted my switch under the leg area of the side dinette table on the front of the rear bench. (If you choose to mount it there also, then about 6 feet of wire should be sufficient for your installation.)

To begin;

Unplug your trailer's shore power cord. Then remove the converter's cover plate to expose the 120 vac circuit breakers. Locate the breaker which controls the HWH (should be marked on the cover plate) and remove the black wire from the top terminal screw on this breaker. Pull this wire out of the terminal, but keep it handy.
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1.) Using the BLACK wire of the three insulated wires in the new Romex cable, attach it to the HWH breaker terminal screw in the trailer's converter panel, and connect the other end to one of the gold colored screws on the new switch. (It doesn't matter which one, as long as it is one of the gold screws.)

2.) The RED wire is connected to the other gold screw on the switch, and is then wired back to the original black wire that was removed from the breaker terminal, (you remember the one that you removed from the breaker...yes, that one.) So, one wire will be black and the other will be red at this connection, but this is not a problem, nor code violation. Twist them together well with electrician's pliers, then wire nut and seal it real good with electrical tape.

The switch itself needs to have a neutral wire in order for the pilot light to come on when the HWH element is energized.

3.) Use the WHITE wire for that purpose, and it goes on the silver screw on the switch. The other end of the white wire goes to an empty screw on the neutral bus in the main converter panel below the breakers. Be sure it is attached to the neutral bus, not the ground bus (Yes, they are not one and the same.)

To differentiate the two:
* You will see a large white insulated wire attached to a big screw terminal that has a copper bus bar with several screw terminals on it as well. This is the neutral bus.
* The other copper bar with terminal screws is the ground bus, and usually has a large green or bare wire attached to it along with several ground wires.

4.) Connect the BARE ground wire to the ground screw on the new switch and the other end to the ground bus in the converter panel.

When you are done hooking all these connections up, replace the converter's cover plate and install the new switch cover plate. Then turn your converter panel circuit breaker on again, (and don't forget to leave the outside switch located on the HWH itself in the ON position at all times to make it work from inside, because power still goes through this switch on the HWH itself. Its nice to not have to go outside to turn it on or off each time you want hot water.)

Finally, make sure that your new switch is in the OFF position before re-establishing your shore power connection to prevent burning up the heating element (unless you are absolutely sure your HWH is full of water.)

Remember, you now control the electrical side of your HWH solely from this new switch!

It really helps to be able to see at a glance whether the electric power is still on before you risk burning up your heating element, (which would happen in about 1 minute if there isn't any water in the HWH reservoir.)

I mounted mine in the "leg area" under the rear side dinette bench, but the location choice is up to you.
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Old 02-02-2025, 08:11 AM   #8
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The Bigfoot will have an Atwood water heater. On both the Atwood and the Suburban, the light is a fault light. It will illuminate momentarily during the start up but very quickly goes out and stays out if all is normal. If the heater is having trouble lighting and tries over and over, it will try three times and then lock out and the fault light comes on. Moving the switch off and back on "unlocks" the heater and it will try again. If the water heater is working, and for some reason quits, such as runs out of gas, you get the fault light and no attempt to restart will be made.

I'm assuming you have a gas only unit. My 2008 21RB was, I believe, one of the first BF units to have a combination gas/electric unit installed, and the electric heat switch was installed close to the water heater and not with the gas switch and fault light. I have since moved that circuit to the stove hood with the gas sw/fault light and added illuminated switches at that time.

PS: I was able to get the fault light to illuminate for the photo, by turning off the gas at the cylinders and then attempting the start, and let it go thru the three attempts and faulting out.

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Old 02-03-2025, 04:17 AM   #9
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The switch for the propane mode always bothered me being it operates opposite of most switches, down position is "on" and the up position is "off"

The switch for electric mode is located in the outside section of the water heater so I installed a relay in an enclosure activated by an illuminated switch inside.

I installed separate switches side by side and a LED light for the DSI (direct spark ignition) fault light that stays illuminated during the propane startup sequence, each switch is also illuminated.

The original switch panel was replaced with a usb charger/lighter outlet assy

No more confusion about water heater operation.

Casita Gregs method has less moving parts and doesn't need a relay that could potentially fail.
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Old 02-03-2025, 04:39 AM   #10
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I guess my old school 2014 escape has a different version of the water heater switch. My water heater is propane only, and this is the switch inside
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Old 02-05-2025, 03:59 PM   #11
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If you want a full-time indication of when the water heater is on in the "propane mode," it isn't hard to make that happen either. Just buy a cheap 12 VDC LED and install it ----

While I was at it, I also added a remote ON/OFF switch with visual indication, (via a pilot light,) for the electrical 120 VAC shore power heating element, (while hooked up to 120 VAC shore power,) as well, when I moved my control switch to inside my trailer, and I no longer have to go outside to turn the electrical switch on the WH on/off. I just leave the outside little breaker on the WH on all the time and control it from inside now.) I do it all from the comfort of being in the trailer, and I know at a glance if the electric element is energized or off. ...

My approach was similar to Greg's except I replaced the propane switch with an LED glow switch. I also installed a 120v LED glow switch for the electric water heater. Finally, I added plastic drawer pulls over each switch to avoid unintended "brush-by" resetting of the switches.
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