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Old 10-30-2014, 06:04 PM   #41
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Sadly always something....well reinforce it well with the fiberglass cloth like steve suggested and support that area with metal strapping so it wont wiggle around and loosen up. Best of Luck!
I'm sure we both have the same strapping Deryk. Mine did not hold the drain pipe tight against the body. Does yours?

I have a plan for this repair forming in my head. I'll keep y'all posted. More cleaning to do, and inside fittings replacement or modification.

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Old 10-30-2014, 06:21 PM   #42
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Frank; Is it possible to install a mission coupling between the tank and the waste piping to lessen the transfer of stress and vibration to the tank
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Frank; Is it possible to install a mission coupling between the tank and the waste piping to lessen the transfer of stress and vibration to the tank
That's the way it should have been built probably. The thickness of the material around that seam and in the specific vicinity of the crack is very thin. I believe the stuff I have coming will deal with it, essentially chemically welding the crack area, and I will add strength while repairing it.

Should the 3" drain stuff be solidly anchored? The strap that held the piping up had about a 1/2" gap from the body of the trailer. Should it? Or should it be tight?

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Old 10-30-2014, 07:16 PM   #44
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Plumbing is seldom anchored / strapped tightly to a structure. It is normally supported to allow for expansion from temperature changes . I have been in homes where the waste / vent piping is installed tight to a structural member or ran through too small of a drilled hole and you can hear the noise from the pipe moving / rubbing when it is expands.
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:07 PM   #45
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How about tight with a cushion around it like that pipe insulation foam. Or full circle clamp type hangers that support it but not so that it is tight to the floor. Didn't this just have a loop of that perforated strap stuff, if so a poor installation in my opinion but quick for production purposes.
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Well then...lets see some pics of other peoples then!...How is yours supported Bob?
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Old 10-31-2014, 06:07 AM   #47
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Well I don't have a Parkliner but I do have a Uhaul and a Casita 17. And just to be clear the two Parkliners we have seen were really nice looking campers and we liked them but it seems that some shortcuts in assembly have resulted in problems. This is what I use to secure plumbing, wiring, and hoses in vehicles and trailers. Also used these when I worked in home heating repair and installation.
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Bob, what I meant was lets see a pic of what is used by your manuf's to support the drain. This way we all can get ideas of what other companies are using to better support it.
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I got what you meant Deryk, problem is we just bought the Casita this week and haven't brought it home yet so have no idea how they did it. Waiting to get my new to me truck too so we can go get the Casita. Stuck those pics on just to show some options for supporting things. Feel bad for Frank, we have camped with him and Gail and they are really nice folks. Seems like every problem imaginable has happened to him. Lets hope this one is the last so they can enjoy their trailer.
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Bob, you can borrow my F150 if ya need it. It's just sitting around, as I bought a new-to-me 2011 Fiesta a few weeks ago that gets 40mpg! F150 is set up to tow too, just fill it with gas when you're done.

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And I just checked, mine is supported by the metal strapping with about a quarter to half an inch of play in it....guess I will put some foam in there to help reduce flex without it being too rigid.
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I think that is a great idea Deryk. What kind of foam could we use that would bear up under the elements?

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I have some white closed cell packing foam I got from work (was in a box with netbooks. Its about a half inch thick. I need to pick up a can of spray adhesive for another unrelated project ( I sewed myself a jedi robe for Halloween and a friend wants me to make 2 for him for a sci-fi convention...want to make a more durable pattern so going to glue the thin pattern paper onto heavy brown paper bags) maybe spray the back of the foam and slide it under the strapping. Should help and if it works its way out I have more of the foam.
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Next step is sanding it till all I have is black to work with. I had to be real careful getting the epoxy off so as not to make a bad situation worse! So I'll pick up some acetone this weekend, and have ordered the ABS glue I need. This baby will be sealed and solid as a rock when I'm done.

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According to the Plastics Design Libary ABS has one of the worst resistance to acetone! The PDL rateing ranges from 0 to at best a 2! Meaning it will stress crack or even dissolve depending on the concentration.
You may want to try it on a scrap piece before you wipe down an area that already has stress cracks present.
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According to the Plastics Design Libary ABS has one of the worst resistance to acetone! The PDL rateing ranges from 0 to at best a 2! Meaning it will stress crack or even dissolve depending on the concentration.
You may want to try it on a scrap piece before you wipe down an area that already has stress cracks present.
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Sid, I didn't suggest I was wiping the tank with acetone. I'm sanding it before applying the glue. The stuff I'm getting mixes with acetone to make the glue before application to ABS. I assume these folks know more about this than I do...

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Sorry for the misread Frank. I was sitting on a plane in Amsterdam when I wrote that and sent it today.
Conditions weren't the best for studying past postings, I just didn't want you to incure more issues.
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Sorry for the misread Frank. I was sitting on a plane in Amsterdam when I wrote that and sent it today.
Conditions weren't the best for studying past postings, I just didn't want you to insure more issues.
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Thanks Sid, much appreciated. I hope you're having (or had) fun abroad.

I've done plenty of fiberglass stuff and will be incorporating some of that in this repair. My goal is to insure I don't have more issues, but I'm just a DIY kind of guy. Hopefully I'll muddle through.

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Hi Frank.
Sorry I was so slow getting back to you. This link to youtube.com tells all. Hope this works for you. How to Remove Glued PVC pipe.. - YouTube
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I got what you meant Deryk, problem is we just bought the Casita this week and haven't brought it home yet so have no idea how they did it. Waiting to get my new to me truck too so we can go get the Casita. Stuck those pics on just to show some options for supporting things. Feel bad for Frank, we have camped with him and Gail and they are really nice folks. Seems like every problem imaginable has happened to him. Lets hope this one is the last so they can enjoy their trailer.
Casita uses mineralacs supported by threaded rod. The pipe hangs below the trailer frame
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Sorry I was so slow getting back to you. This link to youtube.com tells all. Hope this works for you. How to Remove Glued PVC pipe.. - YouTube
That's an interesting video Eric, thanks! I wonder if it would work with ABS? My fittings are on the outside of the pipe and look integral to what they are mounted to, i.e. no discernible joint.

Actually I have yet to even get to that point. I need to winterize the trailer tomorrow, and when I do need to figure out what, if anything, needs to be replaced inside. Certainly more work is necessary to get the tank back in and hooked up. I can think of things I'd rather be doing, but can't afford to hire it out.

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