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02-08-2019, 07:59 PM
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Junior Member
Name: KoyD
Trailer: SCAMP 13
North Carolina
Posts: 17
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Roof A/C -the good and the bad
I just got this 13' Scamp with a "roof A/C" (coleman-brand)on it. This is my first fiberglass camper with a "roof A/C". I don't know much about these roof A/C, Are they reliable? I know they are expensive. Do they last long? Are they easy to replace and install ? Do they "leak" on the roof ? I have no experience about these A/C. Any advice on this topic will be appreciated, thank you to this forum.
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02-08-2019, 09:47 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Justus
Trailer: Currently Shopping
California
Posts: 291
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Hi Koy. I'm looking at a trailer without AC right now and have been doing a little research into adding one. The Coleman Mach 8 series seems to be very popular; I am looking at the Cub 9200 in particular because of its low profile and low power draw. In fact when I search for top rated rooftop ACs, the results are dominated by Coleman and Dometic. Not sure how long they last, but you can maximize the lifespan by doing the recommended maintenance: https://www.airxcel.com/docs/default...sn=c8a90e6b_12.
If it goes out for good, you can always replace it with a Fan-Tastic Fan and use a portable AC when needed. Some people use window ACs; I'm considering one of the AC units on rollers that you can use to cool a bedroom. It can exhaust through a window, but you give up some floor space. I saw one post where someone said they kept it in the bathroom of a 13' Scamp.
Along with that, I've looked extensively into adding an AC. The installation instructions are straightforward. There is a flange that's fits on the interior side of the vent cutout, and a gasket that sits on the exterior side. The AC is tightened onto the gasket using bolts through the flange until it is leveled and secured. Then wiring is connected and the control/vent unit is installed. It seems that the most difficult part is getting the unit onto the roof, as it weighs about 90 lbs.
Scamps 16 need to be reinforced to support an A/C, though newer ones have the reinforcement from the factory. Not sure about 13s. I think roof sag with an AC can be a problem over a long period (talking decades) if the roof is not supported. That, however, is both preventable and fixable.
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02-08-2019, 10:01 PM
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Junior Member
Name: KoyD
Trailer: SCAMP 13
North Carolina
Posts: 17
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hey, Justus- thank for the reply. If this roof a/c ever go out I will replace it with a fantastic fan, like you mention. thank for your reply. Oh, good luck on your hunt for a new camper. I found my camper on "Fiberglass RV 4sale.com Web site.
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02-08-2019, 10:02 PM
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Senior Member
Name: bill
Trailer: 2013 Escape 19
The Mountains of North Carolina
Posts: 4,136
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+1 Older trailers were not designed for the weight. So check with Scamp on your trailer.
I find roof A/C units to be very reliable, and VERY LOUD, annoyingly loud (but so loud that I prefer to be hot).
We have both an AC and a fantastic fan on the Escape. A fantastic fan is nice, but when its really hot, its no substitute for AC.
As below, correction, my Escape has the Maxx Fan.
No AC on the Trillium of course.
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02-08-2019, 10:08 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thrifty bill
We have both an AC and a fantastic fan on the Escape. A fantastic fan is nice, but when its really hot, its no substitute for AC.
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You don't have a Fantastic Fan unless somebody replaced the MaxxFan, which is what Escape installs. MaxxFan is considered superior by many.
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02-08-2019, 10:13 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,912
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Roof A/C -the good and the bad
Back in 2002, roof A/C was a Scamp option. I believe Coleman was the brand they used in that era. If this is a factory installation, which seems likely, it has the reinforcement.
As Bill says, it works fine. Noise and vibration can be annoying due to the small size and thin shell, but when you really need it, you won’t care. It’s a keeper.
A google search might turn up an owner’s manual if you include the make and model. There might also be one in the FGRV Document Center (in the More tab). It will spell out any routine maintenance. Make sure to check attachment of the exterior plastic shroud. I see quite a few lying broken on the side of the road.
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02-09-2019, 10:12 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Predom Prespol (N126N) Captain
Posts: 131
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Roof ac
We have a roof ac on a casita. Beats being hot. Re noise, wear earplugs. Problem solved.
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02-09-2019, 10:13 AM
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Member
Name: Pete
Trailer: U-Haul 1986 -- got it 7/2013
Virginia
Posts: 41
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My '86 U-Haul has a Coleman roof unit, and yes, it's LOUD. Works a treat, though.
One of the first "eggs" I paid attention to, in Vermont maybe 30 years ago, had a domestic window unit mounted in the back window. Kind of a clunky job, boxed out with plywood, but the owner said it worked fine.
I imagine one of the "chain store" 5000 BTU A/Cs would be plenty.
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02-09-2019, 06:19 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jann
Trailer: Casita
Colorado
Posts: 1,307
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NCBOY
I just got this 13' Scamp with a "roof A/C" (coleman-brand)on it. This is my first fiberglass camper with a "roof A/C". I don't know much about these roof A/C, Are they reliable? I know they are expensive. Do they last long? Are they easy to replace and install ? Do they "leak" on the roof ? I have no experience about these A/C. Any advice on this topic will be appreciated, thank you to this forum.
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We have an A/C on our 2007 Casita. We haven't had any problems with it. It can drown out the TV some since the TV sits under the A/C. Otherwise it isn't that loud. You can carry on a conversation without any problem. We have slept with it on and it is above the bed. The main thing is to keep it serviced. Clean the filters once or twice a year depending on how much you use it and how dusty the area is. Pull the inside cover and snug up the mounting bolts yearly. Don't over due the tightening. If snug then don't try to tighten them. They can loosen from the vibration of the unit and towing. Some of the older ones needed a few drops of oil for the motor put into the oil ports. Most do not need that now. We use ours a lot and would not be without it in the summer. The Fantastic Fan just doesn't do the job when it is hot. It moves the air but if hot the temperature stays hot. We use the one in our motorhome a lot also.
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02-09-2019, 06:56 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,879
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If it's really hot, and you have power to run it, it can be a nice option. But, they are really loud and many of them won't run on a common 2000 watt generator without modification.
I think it's ridiculous to put it right over the bed where the noise and draft can be the most annoying.
A Dometic was installed in mine because it was quieter than the Coleman, but it's still annoying.
It's likely you could get away with a smaller unit than the most common 13,500 BTU, and a smaller one could run on a generator more easily. But really, I cannot really conceive of running a generator and the air conditioner while camping. And then locking myself in the trailer and enduring the noise. Sheesh.
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02-09-2019, 07:53 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: 2018, 21ft escape— 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie
NW Wisconsin
Posts: 4,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspy
If it's really hot, and you have power to run it, it can be a nice option. But, they are really loud and many of them won't run on a common 2000 watt generator without modification.
I think it's ridiculous to put it right over the bed where the noise and draft can be the most annoying.
A Dometic was installed in mine because it was quieter than the Coleman, but it's still annoying.
It's likely you could get away with a smaller unit than the most common 13,500 BTU, and a smaller one could run on a generator more easily. But really, I cannot really conceive of running a generator and the air conditioner while camping. And then locking myself in the trailer and enduring the noise. Sheesh.
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I think the placement of the rooftop air conditioner is perfect
I love the feel of the cool air blowing over me when I am trying to sleep
Noise, WHAT NOISE ?
If I am sleeping I don’t hear the A/C or the furnace run
Trying to sleep in 80 deg weather with 100% humidity now that’s annoying .
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02-09-2019, 10:48 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jann
Trailer: Casita
Colorado
Posts: 1,307
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspy
If it's really hot, and you have power to run it, it can be a nice option. But, they are really loud and many of them won't run on a common 2000 watt generator without modification.
I think it's ridiculous to put it right over the bed where the noise and draft can be the most annoying.
A Dometic was installed in mine because it was quieter than the Coleman, but it's still annoying.
It's likely you could get away with a smaller unit than the most common 13,500 BTU, and a smaller one could run on a generator more easily. But really, I cannot really conceive of running a generator and the air conditioner while camping. And then locking myself in the trailer and enduring the noise. Sheesh.
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I don't go camping in places that are so hot you need A/C. I like to enjoy my time away and don't want to burn up. When we travel we stay in some kind of campground with electric if it is very hot. When we had our kitty we had to leave the A/C on for her if we were gone if it was hot. Ours is not that loud. We keep our trailer level and firm on the ground. Maybe that helps it to not be so loud. The Casita is a very solid trailer. Traveling is different from camping. Some of our travels takes us to hot places but not our camping.
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02-10-2019, 12:01 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Daniel A.
Trailer: Bigfoot 17.0 1991 dlx
British Columbia
Posts: 741
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I have the Coleman 9200 BTU in my Bigfoot noise has never been a problem its quieter than when my kids were growing up, quieter than the dogs, even quieter than my wife.
I sleep well with it on.
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02-16-2019, 11:56 AM
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Junior Member
Name: Roger
Trailer: HiPoint Toy Hauler
California
Posts: 18
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Exterior A/C
I am considering mounting a A/C unit on the outside and only ducting the cool air to the inside. Keeping all the noise,weight and vibration on a tongue/bumper mount of sorts.
That in combo with the existing roof vent fan should more than do the job. Don't know, it's still in the works but I'm sure I'll be trying it out. I figure if I screw it up it's a smaller hole to patch! lol
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02-16-2019, 12:53 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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The benefit of a roof A/C is cold air sinks. A roof A/C is always there and always available. Roof A/C units are expensive to replace.
The pro for a window or cabinet mounted A/C is you can easily remove it and use the window or cabinet for something else in cooler weather.
A window/cabinet A/C is relatively inexpensive to replace.
The con.. Floor mounted, or low cabinet mounted A/C will give you cold feet and a hot head
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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02-16-2019, 01:12 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Doug
Trailer: In the market
Virginia
Posts: 6
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The roof units as previously noted are quite noisy. My perspective is that as often as cooling and heating are used, the optimum in efficiency and quiet operation are worthwhile pursuing. To that end, a mini split unit in 220 volts is worth it to me. The fact that very few if any small travel trailers are wired for 220 volts is a challenge. There are no doubt areas where 110 is the only electricity available, but it's my impression that there are fewer and fewer of such scenarios. The mini split will cost double the roof unit but the whisper quiet operation and ability to heat in really cold weather with the reverse cycle is worth it for me.
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02-16-2019, 10:40 PM
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Member
Trailer: Casita 13 ft
Posts: 60
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Pulling through Arizona and the temps hit 110. With no ac I knew I would not rest that night, so stopped at a Handy Dan an picked up a small 5000 btu window unit, along with a 1x2 long enough to go across the "escape hatch" of my little Casita. I had them cut the 1x2 into two pieces and put a hinge in the middle so that it would hinge in one direction but stay solid in the other. That night, I place the ac in the window and used the 1x2 to keep it from falling to the ground. Cardboard cut from the box the ac came in served to block around the unit. I slept cool and comfy that night!
I used the AC that way for about a year, only replacing the cardboard with corrugated plastic sign material, but finally tired of lifting it into the window at night. I mounted it in the rear window in a more permanent arrangement. I've been using it that way for the last 6 years with no problems. It is no louder than a normal ac. It looks a bit "billy-bobish" but I'm not concerned with that. it does not leak. I can still park the Casita in my garage - something that I could not do with a roof mounted ac. And if the ac ever wears out, it will be much less expensive to replace than a roof mounted ac.
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02-17-2019, 12:25 AM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,879
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger M. Sonora
I am considering mounting a A/C unit on the outside and only ducting the cool air to the inside. Keeping all the noise,weight and vibration on a tongue/bumper mount of sorts.
That in combo with the existing roof vent fan should more than do the job. Don't know, it's still in the works but I'm sure I'll be trying it out. I figure if I screw it up it's a smaller hole to patch! lol
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Sounds like you need a mini-split. This would put the compressor remote and just leave you with a quiet squirrel cage fan in the trailer. You'd only have holes big enough to allow the refrigerant lines to come in. No ductwork. And they heat too.
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02-17-2019, 09:16 AM
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Senior Member
Name: JD
Trailer: Scamp 16 Modified (BIGLY)
Florida
Posts: 2,445
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Why buy a 220 volt mini-split when you can buy a 120 volt one?
I have used one for years, a 120 volt 9000 BTU unit that is actually too powerful for the 16'Scamp, but as a heat pump it heats and cools and draws about 9 amps max.
It is also an inverter power system and has no real starting surge or draw to load down a generator on the compressor start.
Since the compressor starts slowly and is out on the tongue the system is far quieter than an across the line compressor on the roof.
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02-17-2019, 11:40 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Carl
Trailer: LiL Hauley
Syracuse, NY
Posts: 656
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I considered one of these marine ducted units. You could put it outside in an enclosure or in a cabinet, etc. if you wanted. They have a water based heat exchanger for the condenser which would require an external fan and radiator and a circulator pump. All doable. You could put antifreeze in the water. BIG issue is the price!
https://www.marinaire.com/Marine-air...yABEgKeiPD_BwE
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