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Old 11-12-2014, 07:53 PM   #21
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We had a Scamp 13 with washroom, sold it and bought Casita 17 Spirit Deluxe, sold it and have a Scamp 13 with front washroom on order. We also have a teardrop and always miss the self contained washroom. In fact on extended trips it costs us more for campsites as we look for places with more facilities

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Old 11-12-2014, 08:07 PM   #22
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hmmm lets see...

TRAVEL TRAILER
dry shelter...check
food preparation... check
refrigeration... check
place to lounge and sleep...check
HVAC...Check
electronics,lighting and communication...check
toilet and shower..check
yup... all the comforts of home.

CAMPER
dry shelter...check
place to lounge and sleep...check
everything else optional...check

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Old 11-12-2014, 08:55 PM   #23
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Thanks, everybody, for your thoughtful replies. I think if we were able to tow a 16 ft., we'd be leaning toward getting the bathroom. But after reading your thoughts and experiences, we'll probably choose to go without. We like the extra sitting space and light and think we can come up with some workable alternatives for the middle of the night. If we regret it, there's always the next one to dream about.

Thanks, again. We're excited to be a part of this illustrious group.
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:03 PM   #24
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Great observation

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Noticed a pattern here, for what it's worth... With one exception, all who posted favoring a bathroom in a 13' trailer actually own larger trailers, including two 16' Scamps, a 5m Escape, a 17' Casita, a 15' Parkliner, and a 19' Escape. Among posters who currently own a 13' Scamp, "vote" appears to be 6 to 1 against a bathroom. Just an interesting observation... Doesn't make anyone's choice right or wrong, merely more or less common.
I think you're right, Jon, that people who make a choice to stay in a 13 Ft Scamp have different priorities. Not right or wrong, just different. This helps a lot to see it quantified.

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Old 11-12-2014, 09:13 PM   #25
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Thanks, again. We're excited to be a part of this illustrious group.
You see that???
They said we are an illustrious group!
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:27 PM   #26
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I'm chiming in after the discussion is over. We have a Scamp 13 with no bathroom, and the older I get, the less I like the middle-of-the-night stroll to the facilities (especially since it wakes me up, and when I get back, it's hard to go back to sleep). I'm one who would vote for at least a toilet. But I'd hate to give up the front bench for one. The ideal camper size is the 15' - with a corner bathroom and a half bench.
Yes, those comments about how small the camper is without the front bench are spot on.
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:46 PM   #27
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We thought we wanted the front bath until we "tried out" both configurations at the factory a couple of weeks ago. We plan to go with the front sofa and a porta-potty at night. The bathroom wall really makes the trailer seem a LOT smaller and you lose the big window as well.
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Old 11-12-2014, 10:15 PM   #28
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Annette,
 
It sounds like you have already come to the same conclusion that we did.
 
I can sympathize with your dilemma. We went through the same thing when
we ordered our Scamp13L1 54" bed (without a bathroom) and picked it up
in Oct 2013. So far, no real regrets. (We do, however, carry a porta-potti.)
 
We are close to retirement age. We have several grandchildren who
like to travel with us whenever they can, so we wanted to at least have
the ability to at least occasionally sleep 4.
 
When traveling by ourselves, we like the openness of the trailer when
the table set up. When in the bed configuration. we like the ability to sit
on the sofa to get dressed (or eat).
 
I personally hate the thought of dealing with the blackwater issues
(stinky-slinky hoses, dump stations, gaskets & valves, etc.) (Have you
watched the dump station segment of the Robin Williams movie "RV"?)
 
Although we own (and like) a Scamp13, the bathroom option that
I find at least somewhat interesting is the Thetford cassette toilette
option on the Lil' Snoozy. No dump stations or stinky-slinky hoses
to deal with. (Watch the video at http://www.lilsnoozy.com/ )
 
When we left the airshow up at Oshkosh, there were multiple long
(8 to 10 units) lines of Class A motor-homes (and other trailers)
all lined up waiting to use the dump station on the last day of the
airshow. If we had needed to wait in that line, I figured that we
would have been delayed by about an hour or more before being
able to get on the road.
 
From a couple of experiences, I think that having some sort of
OBF (onboard facilities) is a pretty good idea. On one occasion,
I was awakened in the morning by thunder and was able to get to
the restroom before the storm front arrived but chose to wait out
the heaviest part of the rain before going back to the trailer. On
another occasion, in a small town city park, there was a considerable
delay while the only nearby restrooms were being cleaned.
 
If we had been able to handle the tow weight of a 16 foot trailer,
we would still have probably wanted the larger bed and would
likely have chosen the smaller side bathroom. With a 13 ft trailer,
we have been able to get by pretty well with a porta-potti for
some of the more urgent needs. As always YMMV.
 
As you have already heard, there are many camping styles,
opinions, and requirements. I hope that you have few (if any)
regrets about your decision and that you will really enjoy
your new trailer.

Ray
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Old 11-13-2014, 12:30 AM   #29
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The complaints about the 13Scamp being small seem a bit silly imho.
That's what makes it a true "travel trailer"...Able to park wherever there are two spots inline, including parallel parking. Able to use the drive-up at the bank or fast food joints. Able to turnaround if you get too far down a country road. Able to be towed with true mileage in the mid twenties by a vehicle which is fit to drive. All this in a package which can provide homelike comfort for two when fully equipped and self contained.
We owned a LoveBug13 before Eggysue and would still have it except for finding the features available in the Scamp13D.
I smile with great satisfaction every time I emerge from a hot shower and settledown to a hot meal and a movie in a Walmart parking lot or a rest area, after a long day on the road! The mirror on the bathroom door would provide a sense of spaciousness should we ever feel the need for such, which we haven't yet after ten years.
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Old 11-13-2014, 07:02 AM   #30
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Welcome Annette
Besides Donna's comments you also get a shower, HW heater and greywater tank.
What we're thinking is that we'll get the hot water heater and grey water tank Warm showers are nice and you don't have to drag around tote for your greywater . You are self containted and ready for just about anything. You loose your sofa but you do gain a lot of storage in the closet by the bath. If you do a bed mod like Floyd and add a small pedistal table you also end up with a nice small dinette. The only draw back is you have to make your bed up if you set up the dinette.
Others here really that don't like the bath option in the S-13. You really need to see a S-13 in both configurations and make a decision.
Eddie
Although the arguments for a bathroom are still tempting, what we're thinking is that we'll get the hot water heater and grey water tank without the bathroom.
We're pretty sure that's possible, right?

And can you say more about Floyd's bed mod? Don't they all come with a small dinette convertible to a bed?
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Old 11-13-2014, 07:16 AM   #31
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Yes to the dinette bed - but if your get the 13 Deluxe model, the bed width is 54" (double bed). The standard scamp bed width is 45" (twin and 1/2) -- something no one has talked about in this thread. A camper with a toilet and wider bed is best, in my mind. I don't mind showering in the camp bathrooms. It's those late night / mid sleep walks up the road that I want to avoid.
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Old 11-13-2014, 07:38 AM   #32
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Scamp 13 Pros and cons of bathroom

Floyd turned the factory dinette into a u-shaped arrangement with a smaller table. It improves on the factory set-up in several ways.

First, the factory table is a bit tricky to lower from the dinette position to the bed position. The lower seat cushions stick out just enough to get in the way and usually need to be moved to lower the table, a nuisance if you're going to convert between dinette and bed every day. His smaller pedestal table solves that problem.

Second is where to put bedding during the day. He created a large storage compartment under the back section of the dinette that works perfectly for that purpose.

Third is where to take a nap when the table is set up. The back of the U-shaped dinette is both wide and long enough to lie down full length. In the non-bath model, of course, you would net two napping spots.

It's a clever modification, not least because of its simplicity, and I'm sure he will chime in with pictures. It would work on any Scamp layout. It's on my short list.
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Old 11-13-2014, 07:40 AM   #33
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Sheryl, the wider bed is now available on the standard versions as well. It's an option, but you lose 10" on the closet and kitchenette.
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Old 11-13-2014, 09:26 AM   #34
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Annette,

Because of concerns about national park grey water restrictions, we did
get a grey water tank on our 2014 wider-bed Scamp13L1 trailer. If you
get the grey water tank, be sure to ask Scamp not to install the stinky-slinky
carrier tube onto the front outside of your trailer. (Those tubes turn yellowish
over time and look ugly. You will likely hear similar advice from many others.)

Scamp only uses one size ("27 gallons") of grey water tank on their
trailers and it terminates in the wide stinky-slinky exterior outlet. We
bought an inexpensive (~$3) adapter from Walmart (also available at
Camping World or on Amazon.com, I think) that adapts the larger
stinky-slinky outlet down to a standard garden water hose size and
we now no longer need to carry the stinky-slinky hose.

Recently, Scamp started offering the 54" wide (std double) bed on their
Scamp13 standard trailers. (It is not yet offered on any of the Scamp16
standard trailers; only the Deluxe models) You will hear various opinions
on the desirability of the 54" bed. We sleep on a king size bed at home
and we like our 54" bed.

On the 44" bed version, you get a 42" table to support the bed. On the
54" bed version, you get a 32" table and a 20" filler board.

We were initially concerned about the 32" table size, but we have found
that it opens up the "walking around" floor space in a Scamp13.
I posted pictures of our 54" bed trailer on the the 3rd segment of following
thread and I think that TomK also posted some pictures on one of his threads.
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f51/scamp-full-size-bed-smaller-table-size-65096.html
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f51/scamp-full-size-bed-smaller-table-size-65096-3.html

If you get the 54" bed, I would suggest omitting the furnace (that gives
you a taller cabinet under the sink) and adding all of the overhead cabinets
(1 front cabinet and 2 rear side cabinets) that you can to make up for the
storage space lost to the larger bed configuration. (We've found that a small
electric space heater provides more than enough heat.)

Good luck with your decisions!
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Old 11-13-2014, 10:44 AM   #35
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Floyd turned the factory dinette into a u-shaped arrangement with a smaller table. It improves on the factory set-up in several ways.

First, the factory table is a bit tricky to lower from the dinette position to the bed position. The lower seat cushions stick out just enough to get in the way and usually need to be moved to lower the table, a nuisance if you're going to convert between dinette and bed every day. His smaller pedestal table solves that problem.

Second is where to put bedding during the day. He created a large storage compartment under the back section of the dinette that works perfectly for that purpose.

Third is where to take a nap when the table is set up. The back of the U-shaped dinette is both wide and long enough to lie down full length. In the non-bath model, of course, you would net two napping spots.

It's a clever modification, not least because of its simplicity, and I'm sure he will chime in with pictures. It would work on any Scamp layout. It's on my short list.
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Old 11-13-2014, 10:59 AM   #36
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First, I didn't have an extra day to read all of the replies, so here is mine.

We have had BOTH, a 13' SCAMP with a front bath and an identical to SCAMP layout 13' Lil'Bigfoot without a bath. We actually sold the SCAMP because of the space the bath robs from the interior.

We went with a Dometic Sea/Land porta potty on a slide out from under the front bench and never looked back.

First it's used less than 5% (?) of the time but takes up it's space 100% of the time.

Second, you have to find a dump station or drag around a tote tank to empty the not so big holding tank.

Third, if you do get the shower option which is yet another $$$ option, you have to deal with another holding tank and the extra pump to transfer shower drain water to the holding tank.

Fourth, the 13' SCAMP with bath is very heavy, both on the axle as well as on tongue weight.

Fifth: With the front bath you have to make up the dinette/bed every day or there is no lace to be. With out the bath you can use the front bench and TV type tables for dining and don't have to make up the bed, especially important if you want a real mattress for sleeping.

And Sixth, without the front bath you get a nice window to look out at the beautiful scenery.



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Old 11-13-2014, 12:25 PM   #37
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Ha all day to read the replies, I guess there are a lot of opinions on the small camper bath/shower question.

You might want to consider the Zodi portable shower Amazon.com : ZODI Outback Gear Hot Tap Travel Shower : Portable Camping Shower Gear : Sports & Outdoors
there are other manufactures or models. At least one cheaper model (no tank/storage container. Your provide your own bucket)

These showers would provide a less expensive way to have your shower without the hot water heater and holding tank. Little more flexible in that it is portable and separate from the trailer. Less robust not being built in. Just an idea.

One thing that did get mentioned by several owners is running the shower head back into the cold water tank or bucket to recirculate and pre-heat the water first will provide a hotter shower, especially if the source water is cold stream water etc.
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Old 11-13-2014, 01:51 PM   #38
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And Sixth, without the front bath you get a nice window to look out at the beautiful scenery.
And Sixth, without the front bath you get a nice window to look out at your tow rig.

Fixed that for you.
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Old 11-13-2014, 01:53 PM   #39
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Just to add

I installed 3-4 gallon LP hot water heaters in both the above mentioned trailers as well as my 13' Hunter. That, along with an outside shower panel and a shower tent takes care of everything when we don't have a camp shower available and it gives us real hot water for washing ourselves as well as dishes etc.



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Smile Fixed What?

Wasn't broken, some of us actually disconnect when camping!!!!! LOL

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And Sixth, without the front bath you get a nice window to look out at your tow rig.

Fixed that for you.


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