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05-02-2013, 10:21 AM
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Member
Name: Angela
Trailer: Boler
nova scotia
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Window screw broken off.
I recently removed the side window of my Boler. While I was taking it apart, to get to the crank, two of the screw heads broke off leaving the shaft stuck in the long channel on the side. I don't think the window has been taken apart since 1976!
Would anyone have a suggestion(s) on how to get the rest of the screw out? I fear I won't be able to reassemble the window without being able to use these two screw channels.
Thanks in advance.
I neglected to take photos of this problem but this video, at 2:25, shows what I am talking about.
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05-02-2013, 11:23 AM
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If any of the shank is sticking out, I'd clamp vice grips on it and heat the aluminum as hot as possible without scorching anything else.
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05-02-2013, 11:26 AM
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Member
Name: Angela
Trailer: Boler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas G.
If any of the shank is sticking out, I'd clamp vice grips on it and heat the aluminum as hot as possible without scorching anything else.
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They are completey embedded inside the channel. I thought about drilling them out but I think I could ruin it that way.....
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05-02-2013, 11:40 AM
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Senior Member
Name: bob
Trailer: 1996 Casita 17 Spirit Deluxe; 1946 Modernistic teardrop
New York
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Drilling a small screw is tough to do. Maybe the solution is to soak the screws with penetrating oil first. Try to locate the center of the screw where it broke off and mark it with a prick punch. If you can get a hole drilled in far enough to get an easy out into it you may have a chance. Use a small hammer and tap along the edge where the screw is, that may help loosen it. Heat, like Tom says should help. This is one of those go slow, take your time projects that is not going to be easy. If you do manage to get the screw out enough to get vise grips on it, and it still is tight, use more oil and work it back & forth to loosen it. Good luck.
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05-02-2013, 11:47 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Randy
Trailer: 1980Trillium 1300
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...I would use a drill bit which has diameter smaller than the screw's, drilling right at the screw head's center, all the way. From there, working back and forth, hopefully I think I could get it out...
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05-02-2013, 12:09 PM
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Senior Member
Name: David
Trailer: 1978 Trillium 1300
Cumberland, Indiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BarterBoler
They are completey embedded inside the channel. I thought about drilling them out but I think I could ruin it that way.....
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You could use a device called an "Easy-Out"
You drill a hole in the screw shaft and insert the "Easy-Out." It has left handed threads and grips the screw shaft and allows you to back it out.
I would soak it well with WD-40, Liquid Wrench or PB Blaster before you try to help loosen it up. You could also heat it up with a torch.
Easy-Outs are available at hardware and big box stores.
Good Luck!
Spanke
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05-02-2013, 12:50 PM
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Name: Francesca Knowles
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EZ outs: the do-it-yourselfer's friend.... well worth the ten bucks a set of small ones costs!
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05-02-2013, 12:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinh
...I would use a drill bit which has diameter smaller than the screw's, drilling right at the screw head's center, all the way. From there, working back and forth, hopefully I think I could get it out...
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I don't know if you've ever tried this, but I have and I can tell you it's a lot harder than you think. It's almost impossible to keep the bit from wandering and breaking through the screw. In all cases of drilling the bit needs to be smaller than the screw minor thread diameter, even drilling foe an easy out.
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05-02-2013, 01:42 PM
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Member
Name: Angela
Trailer: Boler
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I will most definitely go buy the easy-out tool and stock up on WD-40. I used WD-40 to loosen the screws before starting to take them out but obviously didn't wait long enough...patience is something I'm learning, QUICKLY.
Hopefully this won't happen with the other windows I have to take out. Thanks very much for the suggestions. This forum is going to be a much needed place for someone like me. I don't know what made me think I could buy a trailer and renovate it with absolutely ZERO experience but I'm into it now!
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05-02-2013, 01:56 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Matt and Lindsey
Trailer: 1972 Boler 1300
British Columbia
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One other major problem especially a small screw diameter is to keep the drill bit centered and not drilling at an angle. If you take apart the other windows soak all the screws with WD-40 overnight or 24hrs if possible.
You might be better off the but the turning mechanism from vintagetrailersupply or local RV dealer/wrecker. If you go that route make sure you order the right one as they offer various sizes/styles. The easy outs in my experience break half the time. This happened when I was removing a broken bolt from our Boler hinge, I drilled a hole and used the easy-out and that broke too.
Good Luck!!
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05-02-2013, 02:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BarterBoler
They are completely embedded inside the channel. I thought about drilling them out but I think I could ruin it that way.....
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Ouch, bummer. Good advice on the penetrating oil. I'd hit it with that, heat and also a left hand drill. And an easy out.
Search results for: 'left hand drill'
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05-02-2013, 02:55 PM
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Senior Member
Name: David
Trailer: 1978 Trillium 1300
Cumberland, Indiana
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Originally Posted by Thomas G.
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Never heard of a "left hand drill" but I once knew a guy who smoked what he called a "left hand cigarette." They sure smelled funny.
Spanke
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05-02-2013, 02:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanke
Never heard of a "left hand drill" but I once knew a guy who smoked what he called a "left hand cigarette." They sure smelled funny.
Spanke
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After you drill a hole with a left handed drill, you install a left handed screw with a left handed screwdriver.
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05-02-2013, 06:40 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Ralph
Trailer: 75 Boler
Ontario
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I snapped the heads of of two of the same screws on my 75 boler windows. Not sure if yours are identical, but if you look closely on mine, the side of the screw is visable. I'm going to try soaking mine in some penatrant oil and prying the side gently to loosen the screw before drilling mine out. The screws are too small for an easy out, so I'm going to also cut the side of the screw through the "C" opening in the channel. Probably using a dremmel with a zip disk. . These screws are fairly hard steel, so you are going to need a decent drill bit, I use cobalt penetrated bits for grade 8 steel and up
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05-02-2013, 06:46 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Ralph
Trailer: 75 Boler
Ontario
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And yes, use a left hand drill bit. That way if it starts to catch it will draw the screw out. With any luck if you were able to break the screw loose from the side first, you won't have to drill to far.
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05-02-2013, 08:01 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Ryan
Trailer: 1979 Scamp 16- side bath
Virginia
Posts: 182
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If you can access it from the side of the channel, if its not totally enclosed, my first approach would be to cut it from the side with a rotary tool and a small metal cutting disc.
BUT- I've used my dremel quite a bit and have a very steady hand with it. You should practice on some scrap metal first to get the feel to it.
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05-02-2013, 08:21 PM
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Senior Member
Name: bob
Trailer: 1996 Casita 17 Spirit Deluxe; 1946 Modernistic teardrop
New York
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I think Ryan's idea may be the best. I use an air powered die grinder with a thin cut off disc for all kinds of things. Either split the whole screw, which will take pressure off between the screw and the channel it is in, or cut a slot near the broken end to get a screw driver in. I'm not a big fan of WD 40, I use Cyclo Breakaway, CRC Screwloose, or Howes Lube, or PB Blaster, but everyone has their favorite stuff.
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05-04-2013, 06:15 AM
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Junior Member
Name: Ralph
Trailer: 75 Boler
Ontario
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WAY EASIER!!. Started working on removing my broken screws, and realized drilling and cutting wasn't necessary. If yours broke off on the outside channel like mine (which is exposed to the weather) all you need to do is carefully flex and bend the channel open slightly, and pop/pry thy screw out of the side opening . I ended up bending about 5°-8° before they came loose.
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05-04-2013, 06:48 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: 2001 Spirit Deluxe 17" K5NAN
Texas
Posts: 688
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Having restored old cars and working on rusted and broken off screws and bolts and in my opinion having tried all of the removers I give Grabit a three thumbs up. you can get them in Lowes. Put your drill in reverse and drill the shank with the one side and then flip it over and while still in reverse push it in and so far it has come out.
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05-04-2013, 07:38 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: 2001 Spirit Deluxe 17" K5NAN
Texas
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Not trying to steal the thread but as another old car observation I used this a lot. I know there will be additional comments but wanted to offer it up for anyone to keep in their back pocket.
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