Another toilet solution.

[Eggcentric]

In 2001 we bought a 35 ft MCI coach conversion, it had a 100 gallon combined black and grey tank. First major mod was to have a split tank made, 100 gallons grey 50 gallons black, was a very good mod.
Downsized to a Toyota Sunrader, which had combined grey & black, so after a few trips, decided that it was not practical to install a second tank, so whipped out the original throne and put in a porta pottie cassette toilet. Used the original tank as grey only. Gave us much more flexability, most of us have no problem with dropping greywater onto the ground, and the cassette can be emptied in many places, pit toilets, campground toilets, even construction site portables, made it possible to spend a month dry camping without needing to find a sani station.
First thing we did when we bought our Boler, was.... you guessed it replace the throne with a new cassette toilet, have done two extended trips of 5 months through Mexico, one place we stay at for a month or two lets us empty the toilet for a modest fee in the public washroom.
PS: My favorite wife is a retired microbiologist, and we are both very concerned with the health of the planet, as long as you do not hold the grey for more than a few days, there is no risk to life or limb. Have even been known to let the grey trickle out onto gravel roads while driving.

[Glenn Baglo]

Originally Posted by Eggcentric

most of us have no problem with dropping greywater onto the ground, and the cassette can be emptied in many places, pit toilets, campground toilets, even construction site portables, made it possible to spend a month dry camping without needing to find a sani station.

Last BC Forest Service Campsite I visited had signs in the pit toilets prohibiting dumping porta pottis or cassette toilets. BC Parks don't want you dumping grey water because is contains food particles and attracts pests.

[Eggcentric]

So when it comes to dumping grey water, what is the difference between a tenter tossing a basin of dishwater or taking an outdoor shower or putting tooth brushing water on the ground?

As far as prohibiting emptying cassettes into pit toilets, it is a silly rule with little thought. I very seldom use BC forestry sites, there are lots of other places to dry camp.

[Jon Vermilye]

Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo

Last BC Forest Service Campsite I visited had signs in the pit toilets prohibiting dumping porta pottis or cassette toilets. BC Parks don't want you dumping grey water because is contains food particles and attracts pests.

Same for the vault toilets at the BLM Long Term Visitor areas in AZ & CA.

[Glenn Baglo]

Originally Posted by Eggcentric

So when it comes to dumping grey water, what is the difference between a tenter tossing a basin of dishwater or taking an outdoor shower or putting tooth brushing water on the ground?

As far as prohibiting emptying cassettes into pit toilets, it is a silly rule with little thought. I very seldom use BC forestry sites, there are lots of other places to dry camp.

If you are looking for an argument, I'm not interested.

[Eggcentric]

The people who make these rules are not thinking, what is the difference between camping near a pit/vault toilet and toddling off to do your business, or doing your business in your rv then packing the same material off to the pit.

[Nicolas]

Ahem! Regrettably, rules are created that sometimes defy comprehension on first site. As a conformist anarchist, I don’t like people telling me what to do and how to do it but I also realise that sometimes the rules are there for a reason: not everyone is as intelligent/responsible/caring as me and select other like-minded people. Just look at the present pandemic and the people who don’t think it’s a real problem. I understand that a responsible person dumping grey water is not an issue but there is always the other guy. I took the grey water issue up with a campground owner and was astounded by what he had to contend with before the anti-grey water rules came into play.

[Eggcentric]

No argument, you pointed out the rules in some camp sites, have no problem with you obeying.
The rules you cite, do not make sense, but neither you or I are going to get them changed.

[charlsara]

Originally Posted by Eggcentric

In 2001 we bought a 35 ft MCI coach conversion, it had a 100 gallon combined black and grey tank. First major mod was to have a split tank made, 100 gallons grey 50 gallons black, was a very good mod.

Downsized to a Toyota Sunrader, which had combined grey & black, so after a few trips, decided that it was not practical to install a second tank, so whipped out the original throne and put in a porta pottie cassette toilet. Used the original tank as grey only. Gave us much more flexability, most of us have no problem with dropping greywater onto the ground, and the cassette can be emptied in many places, pit toilets, campground toilets, even construction site portables, made it possible to spend a month dry camping without needing to find a sani station.

First thing we did when we bought our Boler, was.... you guessed it replace the throne with a new cassette toilet, have done two extended trips of 5 months through Mexico, one place we stay at for a month or two lets us empty the toilet for a modest fee in the public washroom.

PS: My favorite wife is a retired microbiologist, and we are both very concerned with the health of the planet, as long as you do not hold the grey for more than a few days, there is no risk to life or limb. Have even been known to let the grey trickle out onto gravel roads while driving.

I couldn’t agree more. The cassette toilet is our Snoozy is great. I would never want any other system. It is so flexible. I never travel very far with water in the gray tank either. Of I course we don’t dump it if we are in a prohibited location.

[charlsara]

Originally Posted by charlsara

I couldn’t agree more. The cassette toilet is our Snoozy is great. I would never want any other system. It is so flexible. I never travel very far with water in the gray tank either. Of I course we don’t dump it if we are in a prohibited location.

I was just reading about the 500-700 K Earthroamer LTi. It has a cassette toilet..

[ShelbyM]

Originally Posted by Eggcentric

most of us have no problem with dropping greywater onto the ground....

Probably fewer than you think. <_<

[Eggcentric]

Originally Posted by Nicolas

Ahem! I took the grey water issue up with a campground owner and was astounded by what he had to contend with before the anti-grey water rules came into play.

Thought it went without saying that dumping anything on private property without the owners permission is pretty rude behaviour.

[redbarron55]

Rules, rules, One time I answered a request for me as a business owner to make a donation to some worthy cause or other and I replied that I could not reply to a telephone request in any manner as the company rules did not allow for it. They said that was a ridiculous rule, and my answer was "you work in a company and don't they have ridiculous rules too?"
All organizations have some ridiculous rules. Logic does not apply. Rules, you know.

[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by Eggcentric

Thought it went without saying that dumping anything on private property without the owners permission is pretty rude behaviour.

I , like most American’s have money invested in our County , State , and Federal parks , forest lands , BLM properties and national monuments
As one of the land owner I expect you to respect my property and follow my rules
If you want to dump your sewage as you see fit then go buy a large piece of land and make up your own rules .

[DaveMinBako]

@Eggcentric, hope I'm not butting in here, but I have to think the prohibition on dumping potty tanks into vault toilets, is related to the risk of contaminating areas that other users could come into contact with. Can you imagine making a potty trip in the dark, and sitting down on slime?

[Jaxon]

Originally Posted by Eggcentric

As far as prohibiting emptying cassettes into pit toilets, it is a silly rule with little thought.

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Actually, it's really not a "silly rule". Pit toilets are designed/dug with a projected usage in mind - capacity based on campground size - which allows nature to take over, control oder and decompose.

When people start dumping the contents of their cassette toilets, they can quickly overwhelm the pits capacity (as well as potentially missing the opening as Dave pointed out). The cassette holds considerably more waste than the average person does in a given... uh, dump.

Rules are made not because some control freak is out to get you, but rather because people sometimes forget they're not the only ones in this world...
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[charlsara]

Originally Posted by Jaxon

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Actually, it's really not a "silly rule". Pit toilets are designed/dug with a projected usage in mind - capacity based on campground size - which allows nature to take over, control oder and decompose.



When people start dumping the contents of their cassette toilets, they can quickly overwhelm the pits capacity (as well as potentially missing the opening as Dave pointed out). The cassette holds considerably more waste than the average person does in a given... uh, dump.



Rules are made not because some control freak is out to get you, but rather because people sometimes forget they're not the only ones in this world...

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I don’t follow the logic. What would the difference be between someone dumping a cassette than the same people using the toilet for a number of days instead?

I agree that most of the time rules are useful but there are control freaks out there.

I have never dumped a cassette in a vault toilet. Most of the campgrounds we have stayed at with vault toilets also had dump stations. Having dumped cassettes over several years I have never made a mess. The idea that cassettes are nasty must have come from people who have never used one.

[ShelbyM]

Aren't some vault toilets pumped out? If that's the case any restrictions may be the work of the "extraction" company. They may know what their equipment can handle. I would not presume that a rule is random nonsense and might want to investigate before I chose to ignore it.

[squish]

Originally Posted by ShelbyM

Aren't some vault toilets pumped out? If that's the case any restrictions may be the work of the "extraction" company. They may know what their equipment can handle. I would not presume that a rule is random nonsense and might want to investigate before I chose to ignore it.

That is what makes a vault toilet vaulted, it only holds the waste for it to be picked up and taken to be processed at a waste treatment facility.

As for the rules that others are complaining about.
A vault toilet has a finite capacity. It is designed for individuals to use it.
When someone selfishly dumps their 5 gallon cassette in a vault it’s not that big of a deal the real problem is when 100 people do it those 500 gallons really add up. Add to that that there are many people who are incapable of being clean while dumping their waste. It is not surprising there are rules like this.

[Jaxon]

Originally Posted by charlsara

I don’t follow the logic. What would the difference be between someone dumping a cassette than the same people using the toilet for a number of days instead?

Very simple logic - that of capacity - both of the pit toilet and that of what you're dumping... rarely, when I go to the bathroom, do I dispose of 5 gallons (or more), at a "sitting"...

If there are a a number of folks dumping cassettes, those 5+ gal. each add up quickly and some of those folks might not be as careful as you, charlsara, when disposing of the contents.

Some folks are incredibly messy, even with cassettes.

Simple logic.
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