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Old 04-01-2014, 03:15 PM   #41
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If staying on topic counts for anything at this point, the OP doesn't have a trailer, he has two slide in campers.....



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Old 04-01-2014, 03:35 PM   #42
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LOL as I was reading your description of how it would work funny enough Burning Man came to mind! LOL Don't ask me why!
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Old 04-01-2014, 08:23 PM   #43
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How about a installing a radiant floor under the matress using a propane water heater and a recirculating pump? A cycling pump would surely use less power.
What are Hydronic Radiant Floors? | Lowe's Canada

This is April Fools right?

On a more serious note, pop ups have heated mattresses. Here's a 12V option:
http://www.bedderbedding.net/index.c...category_ID/20

I thought about radiant heat in the floors when that topic came up Time back. I would hate to lose the headroom--eve 1/4". Thicker floors and I might start bumping my head of the ceiling.

My cold feet would like them and it might be a good place to dump surplus power.
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You have a valid point . When I taught electrical control and design , I tried to teach my students not to under or over design a project . Making electrical systems overly complicated usually leads to more problems than it solves. It is a balancing act between function and cost and in the real world cost usually wins out!!

I don't think you could have a surplus of power.

In any event, I don't see how anyone could run air conditioning for long off batteries unless the bank was huge and then how would you replenish the batteries? If it was feasible, I'd do it.
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If staying on topic counts for anything at this point, the OP doesn't have a trailer, he has two slide in campers.....

Bob you have to be the sharpest nail in the barrel.
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I would hate to lose the headroom--eve 1/4". Thicker floors and I might start bumping my head of the ceiling.
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I'm thinking about using it in my trailer.
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Hi Steve. I've seen folks run microwaves, coffee pots, refrigerators, and one fellow, a room air conditioner, off batteries. I've seen stuff over wired, over designed, large solar arrays, expensive monitoring systems of questionable accuracy, expensive charging systems of questionable value, and batteries you need a fork lift to move. The way I look at it, there is a lot of learning going on, it puts money into the economy, and they're having fun. Besides, if you ever want any of this stuff it will show up on ebay, cheap, sooner or later. Each to his own , Raz

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This radiant floor is "Ultra-thin!" InfraFloor - Radiant Floor Heating Systems
I'm thinking about using it in my trailer.

I have cheap vinyl flooring. It seems to clean up well. I have a throw rug but never use it as the pup might ruin it. More flooring means more weight.

I'd love a wood look floor though. Can water penetrate this flooring?
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The cork floor I installed is warm underfoot, and waterproof. Highly recommended.
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If staying on topic counts for anything at this point, the OP doesn't have a trailer, he has two slide in campers.....
Yea... right there with you Bob. Solutions maybe found... just not on an all molded towable forum.
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The expense of adding 400 watts of solar and an additional battery plus the additional weight added to the trailer , seems a high price to pay for being able to run an electric blanket .

About 200 lbs. I suppose it all depends I how comfy you like to be.

I view it as a way to balance loads versus output by putting the surplus power into heat (blanket or hot water) or refrigeration.
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You can install the radiant flooring over a pad and under vinyl or wood. It's a radiant sandwich. And you can get wood-look vinyl.
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In the last 5 years of full timing, I have had *maybe* 20% of my time with the luxury of full hook ups. (I got em now..and am liking it LOL!) I get along grandly, even in the NW woods, with only 150 watts of solar and a single group 27 battery because I use old school methods to use less electricity when appropriate, safe, easy and cost effective.

Do not dismiss the hot water bottle as too simple, or as a joke solution. It works. Technology has its place, yes, but I encourage anyone boondocking to do what Grandma did when it's cheap, easy and reliable first. (Not to mention as heavy)

I too, do not like to run the furnace at night for power reasons and safety reasons. I got a hot water bottle 4 years ago, and it is one of my "I'll never let this go..get away from it or I will sick my dog on you" kinda things.

I boil water (Yes, BOIL), put it in the bottle, toss the bottle in the bed with an old heating pad cover over it, and the bed is toasty as all get out when it's time to retire. The water is still hot in the morning, even in below freezing temps. The bottle is placed or rests somewhere on my torso, and it heats up the rest of me almost instantaneously. I use good bedding and I have not had a freezing night yet.

To be fair, when I have hook ups, I use a heating pad with the same results.

Could you somehow insulate between your cab roof and the underside of the cabover using a temporary rigid foam when parked? That might help some.
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In any event, I don't see how anyone could run air conditioning for long off batteries unless the bank was huge and then how would you replenish the batteries. If it was feasible, I'd do it.
Before I had a Trillium, I had a Chalet A frame. There was a yahoo group devoted to A frames and one fellow with an Aliner ran a 5k btu room air on 4 ( I think) golf cart batteries. The next day he ran his generator all day charging the batteries back up. I think it was his answer to quiet hours . Raz
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The next day he ran his generator all day charging the batteries back up. I think it was his answer to quiet hours . Raz

That is silly.

I am thinking about putting a Polar Cub in mine and plugging into shore power when things are unbearably hot. I would avoid using a generator if possible.
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This radiant floor is "Ultra-thin!" InfraFloor - Radiant Floor Heating Systems
I'm thinking about using it in my trailer.
There are two big draw backs to using this type of floor heating in a travel trailer. One is it is for dry applications only so should your trailer develop a leak you would have a real problem and the second is its power hungry.
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I'm thinking about using it in my trailer.
"Dry areas only" it says.
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I doubt that it will get wet, unless there's a disaster, since it will be installed under a seamless vinyl floor. And they also have a mat for wet applications.

Yes, it is a little power hungry (12W/sq.ft.), but it's for shore applications, when I don't have to/want to use the propane heater.
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The cork floor I installed is warm underfoot, and waterproof. Highly recommended.
Nice looking stuff, and only 1/8" thick. I wonder if the puppy would want to eat it, or claw it up? In any event, I think I'll keep my vinyl for the moment. I have dropped a few things on it and it is showing some wear. I sweep it out every day and it seems to be holding up ok. I may caulk the edges to control spills.
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