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Old 08-22-2012, 10:49 AM   #21
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getting off subject now....
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:58 AM   #22
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Good post, Carol. I don't have any experience with bears in the Pacific Northwest, but my experience of black bear behavior in the Great Smokies and upper N Y State conforms to what Carol states. I also have no experience of Grizzlies, but from what I'm told, an Alaskan Grizzly can be a cat of a different stripe as they say of polecats. I'm also told that Alaskan guides and fishermen do give a bit of thought to the "it or me" scenario and carry large bore revolvers (.50 cal) precisely designed for close quarters defense. I wouldn't want to get that close! Crop damage and attendant nuisances with deer in highly-populated areas is a different and very common problem. Clearly a species with no "natural" enemies except overpopulation and disease invites human "predation" and justifiably so imo. The fact that humans eliminated the predators has little bearing on this except that it created another problem to be solved. Yotes I don't care for in every context imaginable. In other contexts, I wouldn't have much use for possums with a taste for white meat. About the only "problem" I have is rabbits in the garden. Tough to get em in a Hav-a-heart trap (you'll get 10 jays, twenty squirrel, and four groundhogs before you have your bunny). I resort to Marigold borders. Unfortunately, one legal code governing all has consequences which will lead one to desire 52 which have some regard for the local situation.

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Old 08-22-2012, 11:11 AM   #23
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Around my neck of the woods where black bears are a very common sight the only weapon we are taught to use by our local authorities is our loud voices and banging pots and pans..... works well. Your more likely to be hit by a car crossing the street than be attached by a black bear.
We have 5 bears in the woods behind our house ,1 male 1 female and three cubs. They climb my wood pile , climb on mine and my neighbors decks , scratched our vehicle and torn a few things up (Screen doors).. I called the State of Wisconsin , the local DNR and the Wisconsin State bear control officer and got the same message . " DO NOT store bird seed , garbage or anything that's an attractant outdoors and that the bears are protected and may not be harmed in any way . They want you to eliminate the reasons the bears are coming on to your property before they eliminate the bears The DNR recommended an air horn like you use at a hockey game to scare the bears away
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:16 AM   #24
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LOL yup its interesting when you start to mix people with nature. The latest gardening crazy is putting bee hives in the garden - guess what the bears love them! Then people new to the area who put bee hives in their gardens get mad when they call the conservation officers expecting the bear to be shoot or relocated but instead are told welcome to bear country we dont shoot them and if we come to your home we may fine you for putting out a bear attractant. The people with the bee hive will argue it by saying "but we live in a city & its not safe". They get the response yes its the city but it was built in the middle of bear country & its your responsibility to "keep the bears safe" by not attracting them into your yard.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:24 AM   #25
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I always figured I could avoid most problems with a clean camp, secured food storage away from sleeping area. When backpacking we would hang the food bag away from the tent on a line thrown over a high tree branch. Most if not all the food is in the back of the TV not the camper when in wilderness areas. And most of the bear country in Mich. that we would camp in bears are hunted with dogs, and people train the dogs in the NF so bears are also trained to some extent to run from dogs, we have a dog which may be something of a discouragement.

Back on the subject of the gun rack, if there is a place to put a cabinet I would give that solution some extra consideration. Both to better hide the firearms and since storage is always at a premium an extra closet could handle other duties, a gun rack but one.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:44 PM   #26
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hmmm i was instantly thinking a turret with a pair of m-60 s,,,but i always was a little bit overkill.
LOL.............
That's why I said it might attract attention.

Practically speaking, I was thinking of a defense peg of sorts.

But at the same time I was imagining turrets on top of a snoozy (or any egg) to match the turrets on my tacoma. But will have to develop a invisible bubble to hide the entire rig. If you can "think" it you can "do" it. Especially if you can lobby to get your hands on everyone else's money. $$$$$$$$$$$
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:51 PM   #27
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My neighbor full timing this past winter had a M4/AR-15 automatic rifle variant (assault rifle! Oh my!) proudly, prominently displayed in the living room of his large rear engined coach. I never checked, but I bet that could be seen from outside. He travels around quite a bit state to state.

Not recommending that, just adding a data point. At least some people do it.
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