Surfside Front Kitchen - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-18-2006, 07:10 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Gina suggested I post pictures of my kitchen / floorplan setup because it's different from most units. I have a Surfside TM 14 - which is about a foot longer than many of the other units - and what a difference a foot makes! Gives you room for a bathroom, for one thing. I will mention, though, that it's not really a mod because the kitchen came that way. Well, it came in the front of the unit, instead of the side. It also came covered in tar-brown paint and blue-chip paint (inside). And the usual chalky, oxidized white outside.
Here's what we did so far: The cupboards were refinished by me - distressed and bleached. The backsplash was replaced and the blue granite paint that someone sprayed along the walls was cleaned off (no small task!!!!). I repainted the fridge. The cupboard hardwear was repainted. Everything else was polished to within an inch of its life. The bed was replaced (6" foam double / full mattress, with Obusform and padded quilted mattress cover). New side windows - smoked black and non-opening because we have windows for ventilation at the front (over the sink) and back. Finally, the outside was painted with automotive paint (by a pro) to match the truck.

RATS! I just realized the pictures are on my other computer (groan). I'll give the link to my other post with the pix, and post the pictures (with before shots) on this site later.

- Miriam

Page 8, Show Us Your Rigs Forum
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/index.ph...ndpost&p=176551
__________________

Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2006, 08:10 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Trailer: 19 ft Scamp 19 ft 5th Wheel Dlx / 2001 Ford Ranger 4x4
Posts: 1,125
Love the front kitchen! I think someone here has an older Scamp that the kitchen is in the front too.. I really like that layout...
__________________

Christi V. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:24 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Quote:
Love the front kitchen! I think someone here has an older Scamp that the kitchen is in the front too.. I really like that layout...
Thanks, Christi! It was a lot of work fixing it up. The layout is ideal for a couple - no room for kids unless you want to use the "bunk" overtop the bed.
As promised, here are the before shots. It was a bit rough. Someone had spraypainted part of the interior with granite paint.



Click image for larger version

Name:	Back_Full_View.JPG
Views:	308
Size:	40.6 KB
ID:	1783


Click image for larger version

Name:	Detail_Sink.JPG
Views:	322
Size:	36.1 KB
ID:	1784


Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF0014.JPG
Views:	194
Size:	47.8 KB
ID:	1785


Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF0056.JPG
Views:	244
Size:	49.1 KB
ID:	1786


Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF0018.JPG
Views:	291
Size:	51.8 KB
ID:	1787


Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCF0017.JPG
Views:	302
Size:	49.2 KB
ID:	1788
Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:28 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Here's the afters:


Click image for larger version

Name:	Hotdam4.jpg
Views:	112
Size:	66.5 KB
ID:	1789


Click image for larger version

Name:	Hotdam2.jpg
Views:	177
Size:	38.7 KB
ID:	1790


Click image for larger version

Name:	Hotdam_1.jpg
Views:	160
Size:	48.9 KB
ID:	1791


Click image for larger version

Name:	Hotdam_3.jpg
Views:	156
Size:	44.1 KB
ID:	1792
Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:32 PM   #5
Moderator
 
Gina D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Gina D.
Trailer: '77 Leocraft 17 & Former Burro owner and fan!
West Coast USA
Posts: 9,015
Registry
You have CANDY!!!!!!

I am comin' to visit!
Gina D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:35 PM   #6
Moderator
 
Frederick L. Simson's Avatar
 
Name: Frederick
Trailer: Fiber Stream
California
Posts: 8,182
Registry
Send a message via AIM to Frederick L. Simson
Talking

Quote:
I really like that layout...
Me too! It reminds me of the smallest Shasta, and Cardinal, two stickies which I had thought were the only manufacturers doing that.
__________________
Frederick - The Scaleman
1978 Fiber Stream 16 named "Eggstasy" & 1971 Compact Jr. named "Boomerang"
Frederick L. Simson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:40 PM   #7
Moderator
 
Frederick L. Simson's Avatar
 
Name: Frederick
Trailer: Fiber Stream
California
Posts: 8,182
Registry
Send a message via AIM to Frederick L. Simson
Thumbs up

Trillium?

I thought you had a Surfside. Is that a separate manufacturer, or is it a brand made by Trillium?
__________________
Frederick - The Scaleman
1978 Fiber Stream 16 named "Eggstasy" & 1971 Compact Jr. named "Boomerang"
Frederick L. Simson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:45 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Gina,

I'd love to have you visit! We'll be in site B64 at the Oregon Meet.

I don't know why more manufacturers don't do a model with this layout. Especially the new ones. The kitchen has more counterspace (an obvious plus), and it's located close to the front door which makes it easy if you do your cooking and eating outside. The biggest bonus? The BATHROOM in the closet. It even comes with a reading light! HA! My next idea is to figure out how to mold fiberglass so I can create a standing shower unit (right now we use an inflatible pool or tub and hand-held shower unit. Hmmm...maybe a drop-down shaving stand for hubby...??? The mind wanders.......
Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:49 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Trailer: 1991 16 ft Casita Freedom Deluxe
Posts: 250
Quote:
Me too! It reminds me of the smallest Shasta, and Cardinal, two stickies which I had thought were the only manufacturers doing that.
I have an '83 Scotty 12-1/2' stick-built with a front kitchen, similar to this layout. Beside the sink is a bathroom, though. Adjacent to the bathroom is the refrigerator above some storage and the furnace below. It's, uh, snug inside.

I had to settle for the Scotty, but I'm still looking for an egg I can afford.
Lee Hillsgrove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:50 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Quote:
Trillium?

I thought you had a Surfside. Is that a separate manufacturer, or is it a brand made by Trillium?
Frederick,

I wasn't the one that put the title on the post - I think the moderator did that. He wasn't far off, though. Surfsides were Trillium clones. As I understand it, the manufacturers (Triple E) bought the molds (or the rights to use them). They weren't in production long. Most units that I've seen have the standard layout. The TM 14's were a foot longer than a standard Boler.

- Miriam
Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:52 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Quote:
I have an '83 Scotty 12-1/2' stick-built with a front kitchen, similar to this layout. Beside the sink is a bathroom, though. Adjacent to the bathroom is the refrigerator above some storage and the furnace below. It's, uh, snug inside.

I had to settle for the Scotty, but I'm still looking for an egg I can afford.
Lee,

Pictures, please?????? I'd LOVE to see it!

- Miriam
Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 10:59 PM   #12
Moderator
 
Gina D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Gina D.
Trailer: '77 Leocraft 17 & Former Burro owner and fan!
West Coast USA
Posts: 9,015
Registry
"He" is a "SHE dope". Sorry bout that!

Title fixed!
Gina D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 11:22 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Quote:
"He" is a "SHE dope". Sorry bout that!

Title fixed!

OOPS!

Sorry Gina! Wazzat you?

- Miriam
Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 11:25 PM   #14
Moderator
 
Gina D.'s Avatar
 
Name: Gina D.
Trailer: '77 Leocraft 17 & Former Burro owner and fan!
West Coast USA
Posts: 9,015
Registry
Gina D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 11:27 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Trailer: 1991 16 ft Casita Freedom Deluxe
Posts: 250
Quote:
Lee,

Pictures, please?????? I'd LOVE to see it!

- Miriam
OK, they aren't the best. These were taken before I picked it up. There is some signs of water stains on the roof - the seams need to be resealed, of course.

Click the picture for a full-sized view, and don't pick on me for not having an egg.

Outside views:






Looking in through the door. The bathroom is in the corner beside the sink.



Looking towards the street-side rear. You can just see the edge of the refrigerator on the right side of the picture. The table folds down into a full bed. Yes, I need to repaint the ceiling.



Looking forward from the dinette. The refrigerator and bathroom are on the left and there is a closet and some storage space on the right before the opening for the door, which is right beside the stove.

Lee Hillsgrove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 11:44 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Lee,

Adorable! Interesting layout. A bathroom in a 12.5 footer - someone was using their thinking cap!

- Miriam
Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2006, 11:59 PM   #17
Moderator
 
Frederick L. Simson's Avatar
 
Name: Frederick
Trailer: Fiber Stream
California
Posts: 8,182
Registry
Send a message via AIM to Frederick L. Simson
Talking

Quote:
My next idea is to figure out how to mold fiberglass so I can create a standing shower unit (right now we use an inflatible pool or tub and hand-held shower unit. Hmmm...maybe a drop-down shaving stand for hubby...??? The mind wanders.......
This sounds similar to what the Rialta and LeSharo Class B Motorhome does. It is an ingeneous "origami" bathroom that folds up into a very small closet. The shower pan is permenently mounted in the center of the coach's floor. A piece of bound carpet hides it when the bathroom is "closed." To activate the full bathroom, you pick up the carpet out of the shower pan & grab the handles on the closet wall and pull the whole closet out into the center of the room, over the shower pan previously hidden in the floor. You then open the door, step inside, and flip down the panel over the toilet, and the sink, faucet, and hand held shower head appears! slip the shower head into it's wall bracket, and you're ready to go.

LeSharo Bathroom Picture
__________________
Frederick - The Scaleman
1978 Fiber Stream 16 named "Eggstasy" & 1971 Compact Jr. named "Boomerang"
Frederick L. Simson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2006, 01:04 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
While I contend that the Rialta is a Class C (uses the VW truck cab with a RV-specifc body) and the LeSharo is a Class A (entire body is built as an RV coach, no cab from the truck origin), so neither one is a Class B, that's just terminology details. See Winnebago Product Classification for details. In the Winnebago lineup, I believe that the LeSharo was replaced by the Rialta, and the Rialta has just been replaced by the View, all serving in their day as the company's smallest motorhome. The Sprinter-based View has a full bathroom with separate shower.

This idea of expanding a closet or toilet-only room into a full shower, using a shower pan recessed in the floor, is also used in some brands of Class B motorhomes (I've seen it, sorry can't remember the brand). Since a Class B is an RV conversion within a van body, space is really tight (especially in width), and these designs are an interesting source of design ideas.

I like this shower idea, but is does assume some level of familiarity of the RV occupants (at least part of the shower enclosure is usually just a curtain), and there's always the problem of just where it fits in the floor plan. The recessed shower pan goes between the frame rails in a Class B, as it could in a travel trailer; however, interference with tanks or whatever else might be under there needs to be considered. I have considered this in our Boler B1700, to expand the shower area to a more usable size; unfortunately, the resulting shower stall would be right in front of the trailer door, cutting off access to the kitchen and gaucho areas, and it would likely overlap the greywater tank (which is right against the bottom of the floor panel). The position might still be a workable compromise, and has the advantage of being right under the forward roof vent, for humidity removal.
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2006, 01:39 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Lizbeth's Avatar
 
Name: Liz
Trailer: 1979 13 ft Boler, 1987 & 1988 Bigfoot 5th Wheel
California
Posts: 2,025
Registry
Lee, that's very simular to my 1972 Cardinal lowliner. After I get the Boler finished I'm going to start working on it again.
__________________
1979 Boler B1300 | 1987 Bigfoot 5th Wheel | 1988 Bigfoot 5th Wheel | We officially have a collection!
Lizbeth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2006, 02:23 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Miriam's Avatar
 
Trailer: Surfside TM14 1974
Posts: 220
Registry
Quote:
Since a Class B is an RV conversion within a van body, space is really tight (especially in width), and these designs are an interesting source of design ideas.

I like this shower idea, but is does assume some level of familiarity of the RV occupants (at least part of the shower enclosure is usually just a curtain), and there's always the problem of just where it fits in the floor plan. The recessed shower pan goes between the frame rails in a Class B, as it could in a travel trailer; however, interference with tanks or whatever else might be under there needs to be considered. I have considered this in our Boler B1700, to expand the shower area to a more usable size; unfortunately, the resulting shower stall would be right in front of the trailer door, cutting off access to the kitchen and gaucho areas, and it would likely overlap the greywater tank (which is right against the bottom of the floor panel). The position might still be a workable compromise, and has the advantage of being right under the forward roof vent, for humidity removal.
I've seen the Winnebago's and thought it was a pretty ingenious idea. With the Surfside, the layout is different (closet directly opposite the door / entrance). The size of a Surfside closet is a tad larger than a Boler. It includes the access panels to the fridge, water tanks, electrical (from outside) - it's where all the cords and hoses curl up when the trailer's in tow mode. The closet is molded FG (front and lhs) with the lhs covered in Ensolite. The back is the outside shell of the trailer - also covered in Ensolite). The rhs panel (wood) has the access. There are 2 lights on the lhs and a vent over top. Also a clothes bar.
I'm envisioning maybe a floor pan in the closet to contain the water, and a drop down D-frame with shower curtain attached. A hook on the rhs for the shower head would complete the picture. A drain may not be necessary as the shower unit can suck the water back up to the sink in minutes (it's just outside the door), and from sink to portable grey water unit). I currently use that method with the bathtub. If I do decide to put a drain in, I'd drain it into a separate, portable grey water container.
The drop-down shaving compartment could be mounted to the inside door. I've seen them on - of all things - antique furniture wardrobes. Basically they work like those Ikea drop-down tables, except they have a hole in the centre so you can drop in your dishpan / sink. A few more strategically-placed holes could hold a cup with your razor, foamy, etc. The pan can be filled with water and then lifted out for disposal.
The toughest thing about the Surfside is having to curb the urge to have the closet do EVERYTHING. Because the fridge is on that side, and the water tank is a bit left of centre, these units are notorious for sacking out a bit on the driver's side. Of course, you want a balanced load.....
Anyways...I'm just in the idea stage right now. When (if) the weather warms up and I can start working on things, I may have a change of heart - especially if the task proves a bit daunting.

- Miriam
__________________

Miriam is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
surfside


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Surfside builder?Surfside manual Hub Bru Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 19 06-19-2015 11:03 AM
Front Kitchen Surfside Scott S. Modifications, Alterations and Updates 1 09-16-2009 01:13 PM
Triple E Surfside TM-14 left front running light cover Cam A Classified Archives 5 05-03-2006 06:27 AM
Front Kitchen Surfside Scott S. Classified Archives 0 01-01-1970 12:00 AM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
×