hmmmmm i'm gonna try that explination with my wife,,,,,theres no way i can read your mind,,,if you can't find the solution then you need to,,,,(here insert the sound of a frying pan bouncing off my skull)

lol
ok i have it figured out anyway. don't want to limit to one brand,,,,even though scamps are clearly the best brand....just want to be able to invite folks to do stuff that are within a reasonable drive .