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Old 11-15-2013, 11:42 PM   #21
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I give up. Where does it specify the towing capacity?
Do you think it can park itself with a trailer attached?
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:45 PM   #22
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You might want to through resale value into the equation of the tow vehicle also. Jeeps really retain their value over the years.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:34 AM   #23
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A WDH is no substitute for lower hitch weight.
I beg to differ on this one. Generally speaking the WDH is a huge benefit. By distributing the tongue weight over both the TV and trailer the combination becomes a much more balanced and better handling unit.


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If your vehicle can only handle 350 lbs on the tongue, but your trailer is (let's say) 450 lbs tongue weight, and you add a 75 lb. WDH, you now have 525 lbs on the hitch receiver that is designed for 350 lbs. The WDH can distribute some of the load to the front suspension, but the hitch receiver is still overloaded. Could it tear out the sheet metal it's bolted to? Possibly. Could your suspension be damaged? Possibly.
A good point. No one should ever overload a hitch receiver, vehicle mounting points, or any part of the vehicles suspension/axle ratings.

For example. My dad evaluated his combination he put together back in the 60's. He found the stock tires on the car were over the weight limits by a slight amount. He upgraded the tires to a better quality/higher rated tire. Problem solved. Note, even with the new/higher rated tires none of the other vehicle specs or limits were compromised.

In other cases folks on this forum will upgrade their trailer tires to improve load capabilities and reliability.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:50 AM   #24
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I have a 2013 Ford Escape SE AWD with the 2.0 turbo and tow a 13' Boler. You mention turbo lag. Mine has no turbo lag at all, just pure power all the way and the AWD is awesome.

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Yes, you read my mind. I believe more torque will do the better job on towing, just can't convince myself, because it only has 2.0 L and turbo lag seems bothering me. And it reach the 3500 lb borderline which I also worry about. Thank you.
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I have always been leery of smaller engines using bolt on components to increase their output. The 2.0 L is 60% smaller that the 3.2L engine and it was built for efficiency only, it allows Ford to meet industry wide MPG numbers. Towing adds a lot more strain to the engine, receiver, drivetrain, suspension, and the entire car. That is why the tow ratings for the smaller engine is some much smaller than the bigger v-6. The little engine is not made for towing large items. It may be able to do it, but over time the strain will impact the setup.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:28 AM   #26
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Small can be strong.

We've clocked some 200,000 miles on our 2.4 Liter Honda CRV, travel at least as many miles as any on this site, and have had an extremely small repair bill. Engine and structure stress seem to be non-issues thru 200,000 miles.

As a view of what's possible with small engines, Honda has just introduced a 1.6 Liter diesel in the UK that has a city/highway rating of 62 mpg rated to tow 3700 lbs. Small can be beautiful and function well.

I am not judging the Ford Escape or Jeep offerings or big tow vehicles versus small, just showing the results of what our experience is with a small tow vehicle.
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I have always been leery of smaller engines using bolt on components to increase their output. The 2.0 L is 60% smaller that the 3.2L engine and it was built for efficiency only, it allows Ford to meet industry wide MPG numbers. Towing adds a lot more strain to the engine, receiver, drivetrain, suspension, and the entire car. That is why the tow ratings for the smaller engine is some much smaller than the bigger v-6. The little engine is not made for towing large items. It may be able to do it, but over time the strain will impact the setup.
With far more computing capacity in the engine controls than the entire lunar landing mission and direct injection,...this is not your father's turbo.
Consider the same technology applied to only 3.5Ls in the F-150 and towing up to 12,000#. These turbos are not just "add-ons",but integrated clean slate engine designs
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I beg to differ on this one. Generally speaking the WDH is a huge benefit. By distributing the tongue weight over both the TV and trailer the combination becomes a much more balanced and better handling unit.
You took that one sentence in isolation, whereas I intended the following sentences (which you agreed with) to be an explanation of and expansion upon that opening sentence. <_< Thanks for agreeing with me.

The Cherokee with V6 looks interesting. I didn't realize they were offering the V6 in that one. 4500 lb tow rating, hmmm!
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:41 PM   #29
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Can somebody point to the source of the spec. 4,500 lb tow rating, cause I couldn't find it, although I did see a video of it parallel parking by itself, and pictures of audio systems, etc. etc.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:36 PM   #30
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Can somebody point to the source of the spec. 4,500 lb tow rating, cause I couldn't find it, although I did see a video of it parallel parking by itself, and pictures of audio systems, etc. etc.
Well if I were tech smarter , I could add a link for you but that's not working . However ... If you go to Cherokee 2014 , you will find there are choices . The 3.2 - 4x4 with factory tow (an appr. $500. option ) has 4500 tow capacity.
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Can somebody point to the source of the spec. 4,500 lb tow rating, cause I couldn't find it, although I did see a video of it parallel parking by itself, and pictures of audio systems, etc. etc.
I clicked on ZDR's link (in post #20) and clicked on "capabilities", then scrolled down to the bottom for towing info.

Sizewise, it's nearly the same as the new Escape. But weightwise it's more like my Highlander, about 3800 lbs. Comes with a 9 speed automatic.
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I went to the site linked in post #20 and got nowhere as far as finding tow capacity. I'm not about to fill in a build form to get there. I was only interested for a buddy who may be in the market.
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Actually one can get all info by going to 2014 Jeep Cherokee Specifications - Truck trends and scroll down to "2014 Cherokee Technical Specifications "
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:44 PM   #34
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If you go to the header on that page and copy the address www.etc and then paste that into your post here, the link will appear here.
Just FYI, not asking you to do that.
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Sizewise, it's nearly the same as the new Escape. But weightwise it's more like my Highlander, about 3800 lbs. Comes with a 9 speed automatic.
Nice... this is the 1st vehicle I have heard of with a 9 speed.
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I went to the site linked in post #20 and got nowhere as far as finding tow capacity. I'm not about to fill in a build form to get there. I was only interested for a buddy who may be in the market.
2014 Jeep Cherokee - Efficient All-Weather Capability SUV

The forum automatically supplies a title for the link. Here, let me try leaving some spaces in judicious locations...
http:// www. jeep.com /en/2014/cherokee/capabilities/
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Nice... this is the 1st vehicle I have heard of with a 9 speed.
With 9 speeds, one would think that the mfr could gear it so it felt like a rocket. But reviewers say it feels heavy and not very fast at acceleration. Go figure.
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That's one irritating web site.
So, I can tow a 4,500 lb. boat, but only a 3,500 lb. trailer? What is in the tow package?
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Looking at the fueleconomy.gov website, it looks like most people are reporting lower (about 3 MPG less) gas mileage than advertised for the 2.0L Escape for the 2013 model. No user data for the 2014 models of the Escape or Cherokee though.
One of the big advantages of the 9 speed trans on the Cherokee would be the ability to keep the RPMs closer to the best torque band, where one of the big advantages of the turbo in the Escape should be to help maintain power at higher elevations.
Both look nice but that Jeep Cherokee sounds a little nicer to me (I liked my old Escape and my old Cherokee, both 4 cyl models).
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We bought our 2013 Escape with the 2 liter ecoboost (turbocharged) specifically to tow a ParkLiner. ParkLiners weigh in at 2100#s dry, so we do not expect any trouble towing with it. I still need to wire it for 7 pin RV wiring, but can tell you unequivocally there is no turbo lag with these cars. They are veritable rockets with lots of power. Plus we get 30 mpg on trips. We love our Escape so far.

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