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03-30-2019, 12:16 PM
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Member
Name: Robert
Trailer: Casita
Washington
Posts: 37
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Engine Performance
I know I'll start a firestorm of controversy, but I gotta say it: The only engine performance parameter that matters is horsepower, and specifically maximum horsepower available for any specific vehicle speed. Torque, which is often mentioned, is irrelevant. (Wait for the uproar to die down). Torque at the crankshaft is different than torque on the other side of a torque-converter, is different at the output of the transmission (and selected gear), and is different than torque out of the differential. Maximum horsepower is suggestive of better performance, but horsepower available at any vehicle speed is the best measure of pulling power. 400 horsepower at 4400 rpm isn't very useful when starting out from a stop if all that is available at 1500 rpm is 130 hp. 500 ft-lbs of torque from the crankshaft isn't useful if the final gear ratio through the differential 2.2 to 1. Automatic torque converters help startup primarily because they allow an engine to rev up to higher rpm = more horsepower.
All the talk about V6 vs. V8 and crankshaft torque misses the real point: given two vehicles of same weight with different engines, the vehicle with more pulling power at any given speed will be the one producing more horsepower at that speed. Torque alone, rpm alone, gear ratios are related but in the end it's available horsepower for a given vehicle speed.
Let the arguing begin.
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03-30-2019, 01:25 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Michael J
Trailer: U-Haul VT
Indiana
Posts: 505
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So the 2018 2500 Dodge truck with a 5.7 l hemi at 383 hp is a better tug than the 370 hp Cummins turbo diesel?
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03-30-2019, 02:06 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Casita Spirit Deluxe 2003 16 ft
Posts: 1,899
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyBob
Let the arguing begin.
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Let's not.
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03-30-2019, 02:21 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 13 ft Boler
Posts: 1,177
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Please state your knowledge base, where can I read that will confirm what you say?
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03-30-2019, 02:40 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Justus
Trailer: Currently Shopping
California
Posts: 291
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve L.
Let's not.
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Nothing to see here folks! Don't take the bait that has been clearly identified as bait.
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03-30-2019, 05:22 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,892
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve L.
Let's not.
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Exactly.
I don't see the point of the original premise, much less want to argue about it.
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03-30-2019, 05:57 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspy
Exactly.
I don't see the point of the original premise, much less want to argue about it.
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And so it starts.
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03-30-2019, 05:59 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,892
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo
And so it starts.
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And gets ramped up further.
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03-30-2019, 08:40 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Dave
Trailer: 2013Escape 21
Iowa
Posts: 1,218
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Can’t fix stupid
Iowa Dave
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03-30-2019, 11:52 PM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: Roamer 1
Smith Valley, Nevada
Posts: 2,892
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I'm busy holding my tongue as the horsepower "experts" share their views.
Now, I'm biting it to keep quiet! Chomp chomp, ouch!
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03-31-2019, 07:38 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Cliff
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Connecticut
Posts: 200
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa Dave
Can’t fix stupid
Iowa Dave
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👍 Yah think😂
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03-31-2019, 08:00 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2007 19 ft Escape 5.0 / 2002 GMC (1973 Boler project)
Posts: 4,148
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iowa Dave
Can’t fix stupid
Iowa Dave
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Hi: Iowa Dave... FWIW...Thork's thowe thare whou phull thep howl aphter whou phit tit!!! (Thounge in phcheque)
Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie
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03-31-2019, 08:44 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Steve
Trailer: 2018, 21ft escape— 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie
NW Wisconsin
Posts: 4,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf S.
Hi: Iowa Dave... FWIW...Thork's thowe thare whou phull thep howl aphter whou phit tit!!! (Thounge in phcheque)
Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie
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Thank you ; finally a post that makes sense
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03-31-2019, 09:09 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,962
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03-31-2019, 09:42 AM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: '71 Boler, '87 Play-Mor II
Deep South
Posts: 1,261
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Tell this to the farmers gathered around the feed n seed any Saturday morning and you will be laughed out of the town. Tractors of relatively low hp can pull far more times in weight than much higher horsepower auto tows, albeit the tractor will be relatively slow in comparison it will out pull the auto all day long.
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03-31-2019, 02:13 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Escape 21 & Jeep GC 5.7 (Previous 2012 Casita FD17 & 2010 Audi Q5)
Puget Sound, WA
Posts: 1,775
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HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252
There, that's settled.
What else have we got on the menu for this morning?
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03-31-2019, 02:26 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2007 19 ft Escape 5.0 / 2002 GMC (1973 Boler project)
Posts: 4,148
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Civilguy
HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252
There, that's settled.
What else have we got on the menu for this morning?
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Hi: Civilguy... As the "Clown of Denmark" would say " Phitts~~~ pubt, pubt, pubt.
Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie
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04-06-2019, 10:27 AM
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Member
Trailer: Bigfoot 21 ft (21RB25)
Posts: 78
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny M
Tell this to the farmers gathered around the feed n seed any Saturday morning and you will be laughed out of the town. Tractors of relatively low hp can pull far more times in weight than much higher horsepower auto tows, albeit the tractor will be relatively slow in comparison it will out pull the auto all day long.
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Love the answer and the best comparison yet. The big thing on selecting a motor for the job is looking at the hp, torque and at what revs. The higher the torque at the lower the revs is going to be the better “stump puller”.
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04-06-2019, 10:30 AM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: I started with a 2010 Casita Spirit Deluxe.I now have a 2015, Dynamax DX3-37RV Super-C diesel puller
Box Elder, SD (formerly of Long Island, NY)
Posts: 175
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Horsepower gets you up to speed.
Torque keeps you at that speed.
Using statistics, you can game any number.
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04-06-2019, 10:43 AM
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Member
Name: Brian
Trailer: 1990 13 ft Casita DLX #6
Colorado
Posts: 54
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"Torque, which is often mentioned, is irrelevant".
A quick Goggle search and a little reading will show that statement is incorrect.
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